Jen Harrison Split from Big Daddy's Wholesale Thread

[JenHarrison]

keep your collection closed. it's the right thing to do.

Have I not already said multiple times for many days that this is what I'm doing?

[fishmommy]

um, I don't think the Dr's issue with sharing emails had anything to do with client vs. non-client. you should get permission. Besides, it's Dr. Gordon that's the client - not you, if I understand the situation correctly.

as for keeping the collection closed, that's great!
honestly, if you just say that and not muddy the water with all the other stuff you're posting I think this thread would die happy.

[JenHarrison]

I repeat:

Have I not already said multiple times for many days that this is what I'm doing?

At this point, I don't have anything else to say. I really don't want to be part of a community that spreads vindictive rumors and crucifies people that are trying to do things as best they can and be as honest as possible. The people that have told me this are right -- nothing I ever do will be good enough for anyone. Even in 5 years, once everything is long since cleared out, people will find something new to sink their claws into. I would rather avoid the heartache and drama, especially as I am most unwelcome now it seems. I have left a message for Dr. Gordon today to see if he can come out here and take care of my snakes sometime today or this week. I am going to keep the ones that mean the most to me as pets, and will be done with this hobby entirely. There is nothing left for me to enjoy about it any more, only stress, anger, depression, and sorrow for what I have lost and the future I used to dream about. I am also no longer funding the research for this virus. I refuse to put myself into debt trying to get answers for something that no longer has anything to do with me and isn't going to do me any good. If others in this hobby want to continue to pursue it for the benefit of everyone, then by all means do so. I can have all records transferred to whoever wants to take over. I'm sorry if this disappoints my friends and supporters, and I greatly appreciate all of you who have been there for me for such a long time. But this is what I have to do -- if I keep going the way I am, I'm going to fall apart and so will everything else I hold dear.

For those of you that will make some comment about this post being dramatic or me "running away" or whatever other BS you can come up with -- well, you know where you can shove it. I don't care.

[SPJ]

Have I not already said multiple times for many days that this is what I'm doing?

Jen has stated she will not sell any animals. I think that is all anyone was concerned about (at least all that I was concerned with) so don't you think the issue has now been resolved?

[littleindiangirl]

Aside from all of the BS flying around. The 'witch hunt' as they call in on the BOI, the main reasoning for this thread has done it's job.

The community was concerned with her selling the babies that came from the infected mothers, that have since had no clinical signs and have been vaccinated for a OMPV virus.

Other concerns were statements that this may be a new virus. If it were a new virus, then perhaps NO animals should leave her collection.

That's all it has ever been about. For me anyways.

She was told that she was in the right, to sell and breed her animals (not necessarily just the previously infected ones), by at least one vet.

The other Vet has said he's still working on it.

With the lack of any hard evidence about what actually happened to these animals, YES, we are concerned about you letting any leave your possession.

I think all anyone has been saying is to just WAIT. Just wait Jen. You don't need to destroy your animals. Just wait... let things play out.

Don't throw us a guilt trip and destroy your collection, just don't make hasty decisions when we are still in the dark about what truly Dr. Jacobson is working on.

You may have been convinced, but obviously there were many that weren't. Given the sketchy details and just your word that you were told it was ok, it's hard to believe unconditionally.

Like it has been said, no one would ever wish what happened to your collection on someone else.

Given the devastation that came from Wyatts animals, nothing is certain at this point in time given what little details we have. Many others have a lot to lose just as you did.

I think that's all anyone has really been concerned about. Just wait... separate the chaff from the grain, and wait. There are many people that don't think your deserving of the accusations being made here.

[Tosha_Mc]

What lies and rumors did I tell the Dr. Jen? Did you not say repeatedly that he told you that you could start rebuilding your collection that you could sell animals into the community, etc.? If you need to think about it go back and read Deborahs posts quoting you as saying such, there are plenty more out there as well. Did you not have the hatchlings up for sale as well as some females you picked up at the local petstore and brought home - weren't hatchlings all ready to be shipped out? In at least one of your posts you implied that they were gone to new homes? All according to you under the advice of Dr. Jacobsen, again see your quotes. I simply emailed him and told him that IMO that was totally irresponsible advice considering what you just went through. My email was based on what yousaid - if there are lies in it - then you put them there - not me. Stop making me out to be the bad guy - they are your lies.

[SatanicIntention]

I'm just glad I have my lists of who is ok to buy from and who is not..

Kind of sucks being in Texas since everyone in Texas is getting blamed for having all of these viruses. Most dangerous thing in my collection might be some stuck shed..

[Entropy]

The sad thing is that she's not far off. Lets say she waits a year, or five, or ten. When she came back someone would start pointing fingers and say "but how can we be SURE? Did you move at least 100 miles away from your last residence? Replace everything you ever owned?"
And sadly Indiangirl many people did tell her to euthanize her animals. And I will disagree that this thread did it's job. She had pulled her ads prior to this ad had canceled all sales prior to this. So the only thing his really did was completely break a person down to the point she's planning on destroying her snakes (a drama tactic or not after all the BS and crap that's been slung around I can't blame her for feeling that way...and I thought the equine world was nasty....).
Shall we all have a round of applause for the wonderful effort shown here to get rid of an evil scam artist? Ooo, I have an idea. You can put the same effort into attacking Wyatt who is still selling possibly sick animals to completely uninformed people. So, those of you worried about getting something that has been in contact with this sickness just might get lucky from someone who doesn't know there is a reason to disclose info. Great job!

[wilomn]

I don't know what's happening with wyatt's thread over on fauna but if it's not active, perhaps you, entropy, should go over there and bring it to the top.

If all you're doing is complaining about how jen was treated, when she brought it on herself, then perhaps you're part of the problem. If, by chance, you're over on fauna trying to do something about wyatt, then disregard this post.

But if you're not, why aren't you?

[littleindiangirl]

The sad thing is that she's not far off. Lets say she waits a year, or five, or ten. When she came back someone would start pointing fingers and say "but how can we be SURE? Did you move at least 100 miles away from your last residence? Replace everything you ever owned?"
And sadly Indiangirl many people did tell her to euthanize her animals. And I will disagree that this thread did it's job. She had pulled her ads prior to this ad had canceled all sales prior to this. So the only thing his really did was completely break a person down to the point she's planning on destroying her snakes (a drama tactic or not after all the BS and crap that's been slung around I can't blame her for feeling that way...and I thought the equine world was nasty....).
Shall we all have a round of applause for the wonderful effort shown here to get rid of an evil scam artist? Ooo, I have an idea. You can put the same effort into attacking Wyatt who is still selling possibly sick animals to completely uninformed people. So, those of you worried about getting something that has been in contact with this sickness just might get lucky from someone who doesn't know there is a reason to disclose info. Great job!

So this thread was completely uninformative for those of us that still had questions, for the people that were concerned about our own collections? Was it completely useless in that it has been noted that there is still speculation to the identity of this virus? That there is still no guarantee and now everyone that may have been considering purchasing those animals is now totally informed of the entire story?

So far, before this thread, everything she had said between the different mediums left more questions than answers (I for one had more questions). I think this thread has gotten those questions mostly answered.

Aside from the few (and by few, I mean the 3-4 people) that made it their mission to berate her, insult and almost harass her, for each one, there are many more that are still sympathetic and think well of her.

If your going to attribute her current status to this forums entire community, perhaps you should read over this thread and read the heartfelt sentiments from many others that do feel genuine concern for her and how others have treated her. They are there, even though they have been overshadowed by the BS posts, they are there.