Otter23, I'd like her to be honest and consistent.

ghound, who the HECK are you to speak for ANYONE? Did all the newbies in the world get together and elect YOU there spokes idiot?
I use the word idiot after some consideration. You see, only an idiot or someone who NEEDS to have attention heaped upon them, would be so arrogant, and trust me I KNOW arrogant, as to ASSume to speak for sooooooooo very many people who don't know you from a hole to squat over.

If you're so unhappy here, hit the bricks. We were fine before you showed up and I reckon we'll survive after you're not even a memory.

No, I'm not very nice but you're saying mean things to nice people who are not as willing to be as blunt as I am. The mods here, even now, care about what you think and how you feel. It's not like that on many sites. I know this from personal experience both as a member and a mod.

entropy, as far as people not coming forward if they had similar problems because of the way jen has been treated, you might be right. Provided that those people are also liars, self delusional, and care more for their pocket book than their fellow herpers.

Anyone who was honest, told only ONE version of things and then did what was right without guys like me having to question what was happening would be welcomed with open arms and taken care of by more than a few members here. There are a LOT of breeders willing to be helpful in restocking someone who has had the wipeout jen is facing IF the person being wiped out is honest.

Most folks who make donations when someone has had their collection wiped out NEVER say a word about it. They may be thanked by the recipient but they don't go bragging to the world about what they did. Many here have helped others out and no one knows who did the helping. Sometimes we wait years to give the help to make sure the person recieving it is ready to go again.

jen dug this hole all by herself, jumped in it and then asked for a shovel to make it deeper more than once.

She came out in the open but always with that, and I don't mean to be petty, poor me whatever shall I do I can't afford to buy more my whole season is ruined and I'm emotionally wrecked and I just don't know what to do, as an undercurrent to almost every post she's made.

It's a fine thing, truly, that she came forward. It's a damn shame that she messed up that fine thing with lies.

Don't lie, you've got more support than you could ever use.

Lie, and you're food for the fishes.