Jen Harrison Split from Big Daddy's Wholesale Thread

[Tosha_Mc]

The only agenda anyone should have is the safety of the community. I don't know how much clearer it can get than someone posting multiple quotes from Jen where she states emphatically that these animals are ok to go out into the community by order of her 3 vets - specifically the foremost expert in the field. Then turns around and states she hasn't even had contact with said expert since before she knew she had gravid snakes. Adding in his denial of any such doing.

Seriously - what does it take for some people to realize that she is just lying to cover her ass and make a few bucks.

Jens collection is not safe - end of story - close the thread and lets move on.

[Entropy]

Is this fauna or BP.net I'm confused as the hostile environment seems to be the same....

Is Jen in the right? Can't really say. Is she a terrible person. Can't really say. However you are all acting like she was being sneaky about selling her babies when she wasn't. Obviously she didn't expect the vicious attacks that ensued. She did take the ads down, did you have to threaten legal action? No, you did not. So there is no need to make it sound worse then it is.
Also, on the time line (something that is on fauna). I've made mistakes on dates, September-November is only a three month period. And while I know many of you so 'amazingly' upstanding citizens have never been the focus of an attack like going on here but I would most likely be a bit frazzled while writing my reply.
While some people come into something just plain not liking the person for various reasons that's expected, but seems to be Jen doesn't have a terrible track record prior to this, not 100% but not terrible.
But by all means lets throw stones, rake her through the mud and then some just because we can and we feel the need.
I browse the BOI quite a bit, I also tend to browse here. And while yes, these threads are never pretty (as was said earlier by a mod) it seems that half the participants are just in it for the sick satisfaction it brings to lay into someone.
As I said in a previous post this is a prime example of why I'm sure that no one will make the mistake of being public with such a thing again and it's incredibly sad and unfortunate for all of us.
Also, we have one 'email' from this vet. While I'm not accusing Tosh of lying or fabricating the email I am astounded at how quickly everyone is viewing it as golden.
There were supposedly three vets working on this situation. How about contacting the others and getting their POVs (also hoping to get permission to post the next ones).

Am I defending her? No, not really. I'm not saying she's right or wrong but come on people. It's like seeing idiots with pitchfoks and torches out on the hunt.

[Chandler reptiles]

I was giving her the benefit of it being late September since she didn't mention the exact date in which she stopped all traffic in and out but if you want to make it 3 months after the fact than have at it....

[BalloonzForU]

Is this fauna or BP.net I'm confused as the hostile environment seems to be the same....

Is Jen in the right? Can't really say. Is she a terrible person. Can't really say. However you are all acting like she was being sneaky about selling her babies when she wasn't. Obviously she didn't expect the vicious attacks that ensued. She did take the ads down, did you have to threaten legal action? No, you did not. So there is no need to make it sound worse then it is.
Also, on the time line (something that is on fauna). I've made mistakes on dates, September-November is only a three month period. And while I know many of you so 'amazingly' upstanding citizens have never been the focus of an attack like going on here but I would most likely be a bit frazzled while writing my reply.
While some people come into something just plain not liking the person for various reasons that's expected, but seems to be Jen doesn't have a terrible track record prior to this, not 100% but not terrible.
But by all means lets throw stones, rake her through the mud and then some just because we can and we feel the need.
I browse the BOI quite a bit, I also tend to browse here. And while yes, these threads are never pretty (as was said earlier by a mod) it seems that half the participants are just in it for the sick satisfaction it brings to lay into someone.
As I said in a previous post this is a prime example of why I'm sure that no one will make the mistake of being public with such a thing again and it's incredibly sad and unfortunate for all of us.
Also, we have one 'email' from this vet. While I'm not accusing Tosh of lying or fabricating the email I am astounded at how quickly everyone is viewing it as golden.
There were supposedly three vets working on this situation. How about contacting the others and getting their POVs (also hoping to get permission to post the next ones).

Am I defending her? No, not really. I'm not saying she's right or wrong but come on people. It's like seeing idiots with pitchfoks and torches out on the hunt.

I feel for what Jen went through. No one deserved what happened to her and that's why we are all here asking questions, we don't want to see it happen again.

The problem is that when some of her conflicting statements have been questioned she made more statements which inturn conflict with other statments yet again. The story is ever changing.

We all just want a straight and truthful answer that doesn't conflict with anything that's she's said about this situation.

[frankykeno]

I will not comment on this thread or it's topic but I will as a person, a Moderator and a member of this forum voice a very strong opinion on what Gloryhound said. What follows are my feelings so take that as you may.

You have an opinion, Gloryhound, that we as staff don't do enough around here? Do you realize that I was up very early on a Sunday morning monitoring this thread and that does include every single darned word you all typed - staff doesn't get to skip posts or skim threads around here. That Judy and I spoke on the phone when we both should have rightly been spending time with our husbands and kids, that Robin and I spoke on the phone while Robin drove back from a family vacation! That every staff member here is doing the same thing, day after day? Every one of us are volunteers in service to this site we love and give far more hours a day to it than quite honestly any of us have to spare.

So we can't please every single member - could you? Are you willing Gloryhound to use your Sunday morning or your time with your family or your vacation to carefully read, discuss and weigh every single word in a thread like this? Do you want to spend the time to worry over and double check your own personal fairness level to make sure you strive with every single word you post to be what this site deserves in a staff member? Do you want the responsibility of knowing that if you do post something that's not worded exactly right, members will call you on it and your credibility as a staff member can be damaged? Do you want to have to moderate and be tough on those you call friends or do business with but you have to because it's your "job" here?

I want that even when it's tough and eats up my time so do not take this as a complaint. I love being a Mod here and the above mentioned just comes with the territory. The staff here are so dedicated and try so very hard, you have no idea. I'm extremely proud to work with this group of people. I'll be darned if I'll sit by and watch anyone say we don't do enough! We are far from perfect but we try and I think do a pretty decent job of it.

I'm sorry if I'm coming off frustrated or angry - probably because I am to some extent.

[Entropy]

The problem is Felicia (forgive me if I butchered the spelling of your name ) is that people aren't really asking questions. There are some but there is a lot more attacking and nasty crap going on then there is question asking.

I feel for what Jen went through. No one deserved what happened to her and that's why we are all here asking questions, we don't want to see it happen again.

The problem is that when some of her conflicting statements have been questioned she made more statements which inturn conflict with other statments yet again. The story is ever changing.

We all just want a straight and truthful answer that doesn't conflict with anything that's she's said about this situation.

[JASBALLS]

The problem is Felicia (forgive me if I butchered the spelling of your name ) is that people aren't really asking questions. There are some but there is a lot more attacking and nasty crap going on then there is question asking.

What questions need to be asked? Jens snakes should be Nowhere near a classified ad!

[starmom]

Hi Mel~
I think what you're hearing is a lot of frustration and real concern for the people who were going to get Jen's snakes when they haven't been cleared for sale- even though Jen said that they had.
I also think you're hearing voices that are saying we have to have more integrity than ever in our business deals since our businesses and hobby is under attack.
I also think you're hearing people who have been in on this disaster from the beginning (courtesy of all of Jen's blogs) and then the people who are only just now trying to understand what was going on and what is going on.
I don't agree with your comparison to Fauna. I also don't agree that questions have not been asked. I do believe that the questions have not been answered (where is Jen) and that, in turn, leads to more frustration.
This is just my 2 cents...

[Otter_23]

The only agenda anyone should have is the safety of the community. I don't know how much clearer it can get than someone posting multiple quotes from Jen where she states emphatically that these animals are ok to go out into the community by order of her 3 vets - specifically the foremost expert in the field. Then turns around and states she hasn't even had contact with said expert since before she knew she had gravid snakes. Adding in his denial of any such doing.

Seriously - what does it take for some people to realize that she is just lying to cover her ass and make a few bucks.

Jens collection is not safe - end of story - close the thread and lets move on.

So is your collection safe? Did you recieve animals from Wyatt and if so did you have them tested after you learned that he has a possibly infected colony? From the stance you are taking this is an unknown virus that needs a lot more research. If it is unknown how do you know that none of the one's your got from him isn't carry it? How can you be positive? Do you know how long it could have been in his collection? At this point I think you are in the same boat as Jen, but of course because that would mean you wouldn't be able to sell your stuff and would have to close your collection I'm willing to bet you believe that you were lucky enough to get animals before the infection started but you don't really know for sure do you?

Mel I agree with you 100%.

Whether you care for Jen on personal basis or not she got the crap end of the stick something that I wouldn't wish on anyone. I guess that I don't believe that Jen is trying to pass on sick snakes and I do believe that she feels that they are no longer a risk so after people tell her that they are still a risk and she shouldn't sell anything she stopped the transactions. It does suck that her stories are inconsistent and that she doesn't recheck what she is typing but in the end she did the right thing.

[JASBALLS]

So is your collection safe? Did you recieve animals from Wyatt and if so did you have them tested after you learned that he has a possibly infected colony? From the stance you are taking this is an unknown virus that needs a lot more research. If it is unknown how do you know that none of the one's your got from him isn't carry it? How can you be positive? Do you know how long it could have been in his collection? At this point I think you are in the same boat as Jen, but of course because that would mean you wouldn't be able to sell your stuff and would have to close your collection I'm willing to bet you believe that you were lucky enough to get animals before the infection started but you don't really know for sure do you?

Mel I agree with you 100%.

Whether you care for Jen on personal basis or not she got the crap end of the stick something that I wouldn't wish on anyone. I guess that I don't believe that Jen is trying to pass on sick snakes and I do believe that she feels that they are no longer a risk so after people tell her that they are still a risk and she shouldn't sell anything she stopped the transactions. It does suck that her stories are inconsistent and that she doesn't recheck what she is typing but in the end she did the right thing.

I'll buy the snakes Jen was trying to sell. For you, All you have to do is put them into your collection after a 90 day qt. Then ad them to your collective group. What ya think? You up for it? I am..