Jen Harrison Split from Big Daddy's Wholesale Thread

[FloridaHogs]

Tosha, how do you KNOW it is not OPMV...your are stating things as fact just like she is.

[Tosha_Mc]

Tosha, how do you KNOW it is not OPMV...your are stating things as fact just like she is.

That's what the specialist says it's not OPMV it's a new virus that still needs to be studied.

[Gloryhound]

That's what the specialist says it's not OPMV it's a new virus that still needs to be studied.

I am not in agreement with Jen Harrison and the path she has chosen, but then again unless I find myself in her situation I can hardly be judgemental about her until all the facts have been revealed.

On the other hand I can not sit by and watch other people taking jabs at her using the same things they are accusing her of to fuel their fire!

He actually says in the E-mail that they have found no evidence that her snakes are infected with paramyxovirus. That does not say that he "knows" her snakes were not infected with paramyxovirus! Sounds like a case of someone reading what they want to read instead of what is in front of them!

In conclusion the results are:
Tosha_Mc = same credibility as she is claiming Jen has!

[Tosha_Mc]

I am not in agreement with Jen Harrison and the path she has chosen, but then again unless I find myself in her situation I can hardly be judgemental about her until all the facts have been revealed.

On the other hand I can not sit by and watch other people taking jabs at her using the same things they are accusing her of to fuel their fire!

He actually says in the E-mail that they have found no evidence that her snakes are infected with paramyxovirus. That does not say that he "knows" her snakes were not infected with paramyxovirus! Sounds like a case of someone reading what they want to read instead of what is in front of them!

In conclusion the results are:
Tosha_Mc = same credibility as she is claiming Jen has!

On top of him saying there is not evidence of the paramyxovirus - he does actually say - that this is the new virus. She actually at one point acknowledged it was a new virus - Dr. Gordon (according to Jen) says that the reason Dr Jacobsen is not being forthcoming with information is because he wants full credit for the research of the new virus. She is actually arguing both sides depending on what suits her.

[Gloryhound]

On top of him saying there is not evidence of the paramyxovirus - he does actually say - that this is the new virus. She actually at one point acknowledged it was a new virus - Dr. Gordon (according to Jen) says that the reason Dr Jacobsen is not being forthcoming with information is because he wants full credit for the research of the new virus. She is actually arguing both sides depending on what suits her.

Again more of what you want to read instead of what he wrote. He states that they have identified a new virus. Can multiple viruses be present in the same animal? So you assume that since a new virus has been identified that it was the only one found?

With this Dr. Jacobsen not being forthcoming with information due to an issue dealing with personal gain I would have to count anything he puts out on this topic as suspect until all research information is brought to light! Also at the point were you give him the assumption that Jen has been selling sick snakes any real vet would be releasing information concerning this new Virus as part of their duty to preserve the life of future animals. I would be pretty irate if one of my snakes come down with the same thing and due to this doctor sitting on the information about this virus, no treatments have been developed.

Good job you just discredited your own source of information!

[Stewart_Reptiles]

I repeatedly asked every vet working on this case (including Dr. Jacobsen in Florida -- who is THE leading veterinarian researcher on OPMV) if it would be safe to incubate the eggs or if they should be discarded. Each and every time I got the same answer -- yes, the eggs would be fine, as the virus doesn't transmit from mother to embryo. So, when they were laid, I asked them one more time -- got the same answer -- and kept them.

When I am told by the one person that knows and understands this virus better than anyone on the planet (Dr. Jacobsen) that the babies are just fine, I tend to believe him.

Especially considering that Dr. Jacobsen never responded to e-mails, never called me, never mailed me anything, and barely responded to Dr. Gordon when pressed for information.

I am confused how can someone tell you that the babies will be fine if he never communicates with you

[Tosha_Mc]

Again more of what you want to read instead of what he wrote. He states that they have identified a new virus. Can multiple viruses be present in the same animal? So you assume that since a new virus has been identified that it was the only one found?

With this Dr. Jacobsen not being forthcoming with information due to an issue dealing with personal gain I would have to count anything he puts out on this topic as suspect until all research information is brought to light! Also at the point were you give him the assumption that Jen has been selling sick snakes any real vet would be releasing information concerning this new Virus as part of their duty to preserve the life of future animals. I would be pretty irate if one of my snakes come down with the same thing and due to this doctor sitting on the information about this virus, no treatments have been developed.

Good job you just discredited your own source of information!

From his emails - remember I have two of them not just the one that was posted - it is clear that the non-cooperative on is not Dr. Jacobsen. That aside - when the leading specialist on OMPV says he can't find a trace of OMPV in her snakes I would tend to believe him. When he says it's a new virus that is still being researched I would tend to believe him. Jen was the one that said he was aware that these snakes were good to go out into the community - (see Deborah's post about all the communications) one would assume if he gave his ok for them to be released into the community - this would not have been news to him. I'd think you'd be more irate if you'd gotten one of those snakes from Jen and have it wipe out your collection.

We can play he said she said all day long - but - it is more than clear that Jen should not be releasing snakes into the community - if this stops her than all the better. If it wakes some people up to her true character - then all the better.

[spix14]

I am confused how can someone tell you that the babies will be fine if he never communicates with you

My question exactly-I can't believe no one else has said anything about this. Jen repeatedly said that ALL 3 vets told her it would be fine-and now she says that Dr. Jacobsen never communicates with her. So which is it?

[tncorns]

Well I am not one to post much on the forum but read threads on here a few times a day. I have been following this thread since it began, and I have came up with my own decsicions about a few things. Jen I don't doubt information you have said about what your vets are telling you. I have seen vets change there story when they are made aware that more people are involved in a problem. I don't know if that is what happened here or not and know one claims that it has happened in this case. I am just saying it is possible. I also believe you are trying to do the right thing. You said you wasn't selling any offspring this year and watching to see if anymore outbreaks happen. I don't see how you can be expected to do any thing else. I am also seeing that for what ever reason that Tosha is just trying to drag you threw the dirt every chance she can. I can't seem to figure out why.Which has made me put a note out by her name to never have any dealings with. Weather that be asking advice or making a purchase if you even sell animals I don't know. I have just seen enuff from you to know I don't need any drama like you in my life. Gloryhound is the only one toward the end of this thread that has made any since to me. Gloryhound has looked at all the information and has seen what is going on here. I am still kinda new to the forum and already have seen several threads just like this one, where several of you just slam and drag people threw the dirt. WHY ? I have tried getting a few friends to join this forum with me and they all have told me the same thing. No ! No ! H*** No! If I have been told once I guess I have been told a hundred times by several people that there is way to many threating people on this forum. And now I am seeing it. So with me still being new and seeing this. How many others are doing the same and just leaving the forum to find other peaceful forums. Now bp.net is no where near as bad as ks forum but seems to be following the same trend here lately.

[JASBALLS]

I also believe you are trying to do the right thing. You said you wasn't selling any offspring this year and watching to see if anymore outbreaks happen. I don't see how you can be expected to do any thing else.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=110699

Do some research before picking sides.. LOL!