I'm not sure why no one has brought this up yet, but what kind of thermometers and hygrometers are you using? If using stick on or dial types, go to walmart and buy the acurite digital thermometer/hygrometer. It is about 12 dollars and is much better than the stick on or dials, which can be off by over 10 degrees, and the humidity has been noted to be off by over 30%. The acurite thermo/hygro will measure 1 ground temp, which is usually under the warm hide with the probe, ambient temp, usually place the unit itself on the cooler side, as well as humidity. Hope this helps, and check out the stickies for more tips.