If you need me to I can get the actual dimensions of both of those when I get home this evening. The dimensions they list on for sale sites usually include the lid. I started one of my racks before I got the tubs then realized that and had to start all over.

Lucky for me I have 12 shoe boxes, 20 15 qt sweater boxes, 4 32qt sweater boxes, 6 CB-70's, and a 4 unit display rack with dimensions that put it right inbetween the 32 qt and the CB-70's. Then only 14 ball pythons of which only 2 are large enough to breed. I figure even if I get really lucky and each has 8 eggs and all 8 hatch that puts me at 30 ball Pythons. 42 enclosures minus 30 Ball pythons means I could leave my shoe boxes empty still!

I still need to finish the 10 unit CB-70 rack I have planned next.