thanks for the replies so far. they are both in 15qt(I think) tubs. they both have identical hides(plastic bowls) on both sides and a water dish. there temps are all good they both eat good. I have had one for a couple months now and the other I just got over a week ago and he has eaten. I guess maybe I haven't had them long enough. but they both act the same so shy and grumpy.lol.