What makes a bumble bee?

[JD Constriction]

Just some clarification based on previous posts (maybe it was covered....

pastel x spider =
25% bee
25% spider
25% pastel
25% normal

super pastel x spider =
50% bee
50% pastel

pastel x bee =
12.5% killer bee
12.5% super pastel
12.5% normal
12.5% spider
25% bee
25% pastel

Hope that helps!

[greghall]

wow I may have to get a male spider now!

[munding]

maybe this site can help..

http://www.snake-zone.com/genetics/wizard/

[ctrlfreq]

Since a super pastel isnt a base morph how is a killer bee not considered a tripple combo?

A super pastel is a homozygous form of a base morph, as it only takes a single morph (pastel) to produce it. Whether the gene is heterozygous or homozygous isn't pertinent to whether it is a base or combo morph.

[JoshJP7]

I see what your saying... I guess its just hard for me to accept it as a base morph when its produced by breeding a pastel x pastel... I understand theres only 1 morph involved but it takes 2 of them to make the super(in a way a "different morph") so I consider that a combo. If you breed a spider to a spider you get spiders not a super spider or something different so I wouldnt consider it a combo... I guess its just like a lucy... Lesser x lesser gives you something new so I consider that a combo but in all reality its just the super form... Frickin snake genetics/naming is a whole class of its own!!

[ctrlfreq]

I guess its just hard for me to accept it as a base morph when its produced by breeding a pastel x pastel. ... If you breed a spider to a spider you get spiders not a super spider or something different

Yes, but this is where the genetic descriptions of the traits (ie. recessive, co-dominant, and dominant) come into play. The nature of the gene in question describes how it expresses itself in heterozygous and homozygous arrangement, hence why there are super pastels, but no known super spiders.

Frickin snake genetics/naming is a whole class of its own!!

Genetics are the same wherever you go, so everything you learned in 5th grade (and subsequently forgot) applies.

I agree wholeheartedly on the naming conventions though, as they can be extremely confusing and contradictory. This is why I think having a good understanding of how the genetics work, and the nature of each "morph" gene, are so important.

[JoshJP7]

better hope I dont make my own morph bc im gonna name it the googenheimer!!! paaaaaaaaaaah

[Beardedragon]

Yea sorry. super pastel x spider doesn't equal Killer bee.
it does however give you a ratio of

50% bee
25% spider
25% pastel

you mean 50% spider and 50% pastel

[ctrlfreq]

you mean 50% spider and 50% pastel

Not with a super pastel...there are no chances of plain spiders when one parent is serving up two pastel alleles.

A super pastel x spider would produce 50% bee (PS) and 50% pastels (Ps).

[West Coast Jungle]

you mean 50% spider and 50% pastel

You forgot about the bees?

Josh the market is based on availibilty or supply and demand. The reality it doesn't matter as much as to how hard they are to make but how many of them are there in existence. A lavender albino is as easy to make as a regular albino but there are alot fewer lavs availible therefore they are worth much more.

People have been working with the pastel morph for much longer so there are way more in existence therefore more supers and pastel combos.