Beef about some morphs

[Sasquatch Art]

I have seen poor examples of Ybs but then I have seen some hotties that you just KNOW are not normal.

I don't know snake price tags have never bothered me...But then I think they are worth every penny. The combos are endless however a base looks just as good. IMO. Goodness I love Herps.

As for the names..I love them they are so creative and some are a bit humorous.

[JoMo]

But yeah, JoMo made a good point about the market. But even then, it all boils down to what its worth to you personally and what your purposes are. Its only worth what you're willing to pay for it.

That´s the market law, isn´t it ?

[rabernet]

What do you think of Spiders? They only produce spiders, no supers - but they are great in combos - so they also hold value as combo potential. Ever seen the Super Stripe? Got to have a yellow belly to make one. Ever seen the Crystal ball python? Got to have a mojave to make one.

Don't look at just the animal, but the potential and power behind that animal in combos as well.

[rabernet]

Okay...I'll let the mojaves slide. Guess I was looking at some pretty ugly ones. And as I already said, they're apparently worth it if they produce ivories. BUT....if all they produced were just more mojaves, then I probably would not pay $400 for one. I guess thats my point. I understand now its what they can produce is what dictates the price, not necessarily what they look like. Shows how little I know about BP morphs.

Mojaves were going for $1500 + just two/three years ago, until MKR crashed the market on them - and people were happily paying that much for them.

[Ophiuchus]

Okay, okay...now you guys are starting to repeat yourselves. I was made aware by the first page of this thread that there's potential behind these morphs. I understand now...I have "seen the light". Please stop trying to convince me that yellow bellies and mojaves are Gods gift to ball pythons.

Mojaves were going for $1500 + just two/three years ago, until MKR crashed the market on them - and people were happily paying that much for them.

Indeed. All I can say to that is it must be nice to be made of money.

[jkobylka]

Michael,

I've always been a big critic of the naming trends in ball pythons and I own all the morphs you mentioned, (except for the russo het BEL)

While a Yellow Belly may look a lot like a normal to many people they scream out "I'm AWESOME" to those of us who are bp fanatics.

It wouldn't be a good idea to call a mojave a het BEL simply because then we would lose all distinction between russos, butters, phantoms, lessers, mochas and mojaves... none of which look alike.

My biggest beef with morph name is not the names of the base morph but the names of the combos. I think its awesome to call a spider pastel a bumble bee but it has to stop somewhere! You can 't make up a new name for every new combo and it also makes it a LOT harder for the bp newbie to learn the combos.

I say call the combos by what they are. super pastel spider pied or whatever. Otherwise we'll all eventually require massive IQ's to breed morphs

Justin

Yes...I know that now. I was just saying that if that wasn't the case, and all yellowbellies produced were just yellowbellies, I probably wouldn't pay much more for them than I would a really pretty normal.

But yeah, JoMo made a good point about the market. But even then, it all boils down to what its worth to you personally and what your purposes are. Its only worth what you're willing to pay for it.

[Ophiuchus]

You can 't make up a new name for every new combo and it also makes it a LOT harder for the bp newbie to learn the combos.

Yeah I think thats where a lot of the frustration comes from. Newbies see the albinos and the leucies and the piebalds and get excited, and they look at yellow-bellies and such and think "whats so special about those?". Its just simply ignorance (like with me); they just don't know.

However, Nerd's site has proven fairly helpful in laying out most of these morphs and where they come from, etc.

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ollection.html

[KMS]

Justin,I couldnt agreee more,call the morph what it is and not silly names that you need a degree to figure out.
Kevin
www.kmsreptiles.com

[ctrlfreq]

My biggest beef with morph name is not the names of the base morph but the names of the combos.

I agree with this 100%. I've been working on a piece of software for the last few weeks that does morph combination forecasting, and the combo morphs are a real PITA.

What's really bad are when there are 2-3 versions of a particular combo morph that were named differently by the producers, but are genetically indistinguishable.

I've found the bigger breeders have the contents of many of their older designer combos listed, which makes life a little easier, but without a central body defining each morph and combo, it's a crap-shoot as to whether or not you can reliably infer the contents of a particular animal given only it's combo name.

[ctrlfreq]

Nerd's site has proven fairly helpful in laying out most of these morphs and where they come from

I agree to a point, but their combo maps are only based on their collection, which is somewhat limiting when another large breeder (ie. RDR) has the same genetic combination by another name.