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[Sputnik]

Aren't all morphs genetic disorders?
BT

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there is a difference between a disorder and a mutation?

[Brimstone111888]

Aren't all morphs genetic disorders?
BT

Morphs are genetic mutations of certain genes. While a genetic disorder is usually something detrimental to the well-being of the animal.

[littleindiangirl]

Morphs are genetic mutations of certain genes. While a genetic disorder is usually something detrimental to the well-being of the animal.

Many visual morphs can be described as the inhibition of certain workings and traits in the cells. Whether it is the over production of pigment, the inhibition of certain pigments, or the placement of pigments during embryo development, they are most often "stopping" the cells from working and doing their jobs properly, resulting in our morphs.

These are very often passed down through simple recessives or co-dominant inheritance. Making it a genetic mutation (disorder).

If it is an attribute that is detrimental to the survival of the animal and bodily function, and is inherited through simple Mendelian understanding, I would call it a genetic disease.

They are all "disorders", but the severity to how they inhibit the natural and perfect workings in the animal warrants a different label I think. I could be wrong about the labels, but that's how I see it.

[BT41042]

Morphs are genetic mutations of certain genes. While a genetic disorder is usually something detrimental to the well-being of the animal.

I agree with that Jeff...Then IMO the Spider gene is a genetic mutation...The handful of Spiders (and my 1.1 Bees) sure don't have a disorder that is detrimental to their well-being...Just my 2 cents...
BT

[J.Vandegrift]

http://forum.8ballpythons.com/blog/?p=5

The provided link agrees with me that normal sibs do not exhibit the trait. What are you trying to say???

[soy.lor.n]

This is just my opinion on this. I don't look down on anyone who feels differently but I do not think an animal with a genetic disorder should be bred. I don't think that just because an animal can survive and reproduce means a negative trait should be encouraged. No one really knows what the actual snake is feeling. I can't imagine it is pleasant especially in some of the more severe cases. I do wonder sometimes if peoples reaction to the "wobble" would be different if it occured in a certain dog breed instead of BP's.

But how do you know it's a disorder, or a negative trait? I'm asking mostly because I'm curious about it...
I have a friend who has a pretty bad tic every time he talks...it makes him seem really awkward as a first impression...should he not breed either?
I mean, my husband and I both have really fair skin, and our children would most likely burn very easily every time they go into the sun...should we not reproduce?
Genetic variations are not automatically negative. Do you also have a problem with albinos? Just wondering because I actually kind of do, but mostly because I know that it's a negative trait in that it leaves the animal/person with severely reduced defenses against the sun. (My kids will at least be able to go out with some SPF 15 and be ok...heh)

[Brimstone111888]

Many visual morphs can be described as the inhibition of certain workings and traits in the cells. Whether it is the over production of pigment, the inhibition of certain pigments, or the placement of pigments during embryo development, they are most often "stopping" the cells from working and doing their jobs properly, resulting in our morphs.

These are very often passed down through simple recessives or co-dominant inheritance. Making it a genetic mutation (disorder).

If it is an attribute that is detrimental to the survival of the animal and bodily function, and is inherited through simple Mendelian understanding, I would call it a genetic disease.

They are all "disorders", but the severity to how they inhibit the natural and perfect workings in the animal warrants a different label I think. I could be wrong about the labels, but that's how I see it.

Genetic Mutation- (genetics) any event that changes genetic structure; any alteration in the inherited nucleic acid sequence of the genotype of an organism

Genetic Disorder- genetic disorder
n. A pathological condition caused by an absent or defective gene or by a chromosomal aberration. Also called hereditary disease, inherited disorder.

Source: Dictionary.com

Morphs are mutations, no doubt, but I would be hesitant to call it a disorder. As stated above, disorders are usually detrimental to the animal or "pathological", which is usually disease.

As of now Spider don't do anything that normal balls don't do, besides a little wobble. If it doesn't affect the life span, feeding, breeding habits, then to me it is not a disorder yet. We also havn't been keeping spiders long enough to determine if that is the case or not.

[littleindiangirl]

Genetic Mutation- (genetics) any event that changes genetic structure; any alteration in the inherited nucleic acid sequence of the genotype of an organism

Genetic Disorder- genetic disorder
n. A pathological condition caused by an absent or defective gene or by a chromosomal aberration. Also called hereditary disease, inherited disorder.

Source: Dictionary.com

Morphs are mutations, no doubt, but I would be hesitant to call it a disorder. As stated above, disorders are usually detrimental to the animal or "pathological", which is usually disease.

I'm not gonna run and look up definitions, and I wasn't arguing if mine was right or not.

Like I said, many morphs are easily explained by what they are prohibiting in the body of the cell. Either by deletion of genes, or chromosomal aberration limiting certain functions.

I'm applying the genetics I know about rat colors and coats to snake morphs. It's essentially the same thing, just different animal.

But by the dictionary definition of genetic mutations:

Genetic Mutation- (genetics) any event that changes genetic structure; any alteration in the inherited nucleic acid sequence of the genotype of an organism

I would hesitate to call simple snake morphs mutations. Rereading the definition states clearly that it is an event that changes the genetic structure. Any alteration in the inherited nucleic acid sequence.

Sounds more like a mutated DNA strand and not a gene that is inherited that produces such effects. (even though I'm sure they are out there)

Genetic Disorder- genetic disorder
n. A pathological condition caused by an absent or defective gene or by a chromosomal aberration. Also called hereditary disease, inherited disorder.

This sounds more like what a snake morph is to me, still just applying what I know about rat color genetics

Either way, what does it really matter?

[Brimstone111888]

I'm not gonna run and look up definitions, and I wasn't arguing if mine was right or not.

Guess now you are?

Like I said, many morphs are easily explained by what they are prohibiting in the body of the cell. Either by deletion of genes, or chromosomal aberration limiting certain functions.

I would hesitate to call simple snake morphs mutations. Rereading the definition states clearly that it is an event that changes the genetic structure. Any alteration in the inherited nucleic acid sequence.

You said it yourself that some morphs are "easily" explained by turning certain things off in certain cells or changing things. That in itself is a mutation.

Sounds more like a mutated DNA strand and not a gene that is inherited that produces such effects. (even though I'm sure they are out there)

DNA is a just a sequence of genes. Also if it was a combination of mutated genes, morphs would not be passed down as easily as they are.

Either way, what does it really matter?

It really doesn't matter, its just the terms don't make sense the way you are using them.

Genetic disorders are more or less diseases and by saying all morphs are diseases is way off.

[littleindiangirl]

Guess now you are?






You said it yourself that some morphs are "easily" explained by turning certain things off in certain cells or changing things. That in itself is a mutation.



DNA is a just a sequence of genes. Also if it was a combination of mutated genes, morphs would not be passed down as easily as they are.





Not really, its just the terms don't make sense the way you are using them.

Genetic disorders are more or less diseases and by saying all morphs are diseases is way off.

LOL, I was just using your definitions from your post. I still stand by my explanation, but to each his own.