Axanthic

[Kalitta]

i've been reading a lot about breeding and genetics, and I think I have it figured out but wanted to ask anyways. I'm learning that right now i'm better off talking to people before making any more purchases.

Axanthic is recessive, so it won't show up till it has both Axanthic genes from both sides. if I got a 100% het male, and a 100% het female and bred them, Would that produce a visible axanthic (if the BP gods smile upon me) or would I have to hold back and breed the babies to the adults to produce one? Am i better off spending the money on already visible Axanthic?

i have the same question for lavendar albino, since my husband likes the looks of those.

[coldbloodaddict]

You are right...If you breed 2 100% hets together you have a 1 in 4 chance to produce the Homozygous animal.

The normal appearing babies produced are 66% possible hets.

Same with the Lav.

VPI Axanthic

[Gloryhound]

Yes! When 100% het Axanthics bred together will give each egg a 1 in 4 chance of coming out 100% Axanthic. All the rest will look normal with 2 out of 3 probabilities of them having the Het Axanthic gene. This is where the 66% possible het comes from. This is the method my wife and I are using to try and make Axanthics and Pieds. Should work the same for lavender Albinos as well

[Kalitta]

beautiful snake!

so basically for the price of two 100% het's and a few years of patience till they get breeding size, i would have the chance at a visible axanthic or lavender albino. I know, the gods don't always allow you to get what you want first go round.

[Gloryhound]

beautiful snake!

so basically for the price of two 100% het's and a few years of patience till they get breeding size, i would have the chance at a visible axanthic or lavender albino. I know, the gods don't always allow you to get what you want first go round.

And the price of feeding them, housing them, and building an incubator if you do not already have one. Otherwise yes!

[Kalitta]

feeding, and housing are things i already factor into the 'price' of the snake. I'm not buying any more snakes anytime soon though, was just curious because of the genes being recessive.

Thank you for the information.

[Kalitta]

i was reading more about axanthic, and came across a few websites that said the three diffrent lines of proven axanthic (vpi, tks, and jolliff) are not compatable with each other.

i wasn't sure what this ment, if I had a 100% het vpi and a 100% het tks... and bred them, wouldn't that produce an axanthic?

[Gloryhound]

i was reading more about axanthic, and came across a few websites that said the three diffrent lines of proven axanthic (vpi, tks, and jolliff) are not compatable with each other.

i wasn't sure what this ment, if I had a 100% het vpi and a 100% het tks... and bred them, wouldn't that produce an axanthic?

Two of the axanthic lines have shown the ability to be cross compatible and I think but am not sure that it is the TSK and Joliff lines. A fourth line of Axanthic exists and it is the Nerd line. Generally speaking from what I have read and seen the VPI line is classified as the best looking of them all with Nerd and TKS in a close run for second and third. The Joliff line seems to fade the fastest and the most. Best to make sure you get two axanthics from the same line to be safe.

[MarkS]

Axanthic is recessive, so it won't show up till it has both Axanthic genes from both sides. If I got a 100% het male, and a 100% het female and bred them, Would that produce a visible axanthic (if the BP gods smile upon me)

Yes, only if both het axanthics are from the same compatible line. I have NOT heard that any of the major lines were compatible. If someone is making that claim I'd want to see proof that one of the animals was not actually a double het.

The current accepted major lines of axanthics are

VPI - recessive
TSK - recessive
Jollif - recessive
Red Axanthic - Co-Dominant

And as far as I know, none of them have been proven to be compatible with each other.

I don't know much about the NERD axanthics so can't say anything about them.

There are other lines of wild caught axanthic that are being worked on. There are axanthic looking animals imported every year from Africa, many have not even been proven to be genetic much less compatible with other lines

Mark

[Monty]

they are not compatible from what i heard and from the breeders i talked to if you breed an sk and a vpi you would get double het axanthics. if not compatible they would be normal looking snakes but double het for both of those axanthic traits