Ringer makes?

[Holbeird]

i thought i read somewhere that they could make pieds. So thats not true? just het pieds and pieds, make pieds?

Exactly what Sputnik said, not proven genetic. In terms of the pied thing. The closest I've heard about that is that some people have taken ringers and tried to pass them off as low-white pieds. But no, ringers will not give you pieds unless it's a het-pied that happens to be a ringer