Kiss your hobby goodbye!!!! USFW Proposed ban!!!!

[slither9192]

So pretty much it's just Burmese Python now? I'm confused

[dsirkle]

That's not the primary focus - the primary focus is potentially invasive species that may have an impact on our native ecosystems. This is where RESPONSIBLE HERPETOCULTURE comes into play! If they weren't finding Burmese pythons in the Everglades, this wouldn't have as much validity.

Sadly our Legislators may not get involved or informed enough to have a primary focus at all and may just paint all constrictors whether native or imported, large or small, commonly released or never released into the wild with the same broad brush and ban interstate transportation of them. Hopefully the knowledgeable people on the panel will have an opportunity to present all the information that they would like to give.

[sweety314]

I don't quite understand how ball pythons have been lumped into this. What grounds to they have to say that ball pythons, and other small pythons/boas are a threat to the environment?

I realize that there are quite a few animals out there that do pose risks to the environment and even humans, but I just don't understand how smaller reptiles are suddenly targeted as a danger and threat to the wild...

Is there any significant proof of people releasing ball pythons and it causing a problem? anywhere?

Just the broad generalizations---any and ALL pythons....since it's geared more towards the giants, but naming all pythons /boids it makes it easier for them, but puts the hit on the little guys, too.

No matter WHAT's named, or not, this is a bad idea all around. Yes, fact-finding, but if the lobbyists & PETA didn't get their grubby mitts into everything, we wouldn't have to be shoveling this "stuff" all the time. Bureaucrats and politicians usually have help coming up with the brain-dead crap like this!!!!

U can be sure I'm posting and mailing. OREGON just went through this whole thing this last spring and summer. Exact same stuff...proposed bannings and permits only for zoos, research facilities, etc. I'm sooooo glad someone pulled their head out and it was tabled. < Not to say it can't, or won't return, but for now, it's a dead issue. >

I'll be emailing friends and family, encouraging them to post their comments and . Most all know of our collection of pets, and my goals to eventually breed for an income boost, so their input should help also. *fingers crossed*

[vinnimac]

There is a site to make an electronic reply. It's at http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspubli...000064803a565f. Yes you have to give name and address, and they spell out it will be made public but I don't care! They have to realize some of us are responsible with our animals.

[mwedgley]

So first off I am new to this forum. Up until I found out about this newly proposed ban I had no need for these sorts of forums. I have been reading this thread and I think some very key points have been missed in this thread. On one hand this ban only states that it is banning transporting across states of the reptiles except for the purposes stating. A lot of you are stating that they are taking them away from you. Understandable if you give them an inch they'll take a mile but if you aproach them saying don't take my animal away they will only reply they are not. Stick to the facts which are that thay are hoping to ban transportation. On a side not what has also not been mentioned on this thread is that they are trying to have these species included into the Lacey act which I have not read in detail but I believe does prohibit the sale or the purchase in any state of the animals on said list. I myself am also new to the ball python thing but was very excited about the breeding I have planned for many different reasons one is the science aspect as well as self education. One thing that it says is they will be allowing permits for educational and scientific purposes. My thing is I'm not a scientist, I don't go to school but in my house I learn from my animals and that to me is the highest form of education. In regards to the poor treatment of these animals by a few banning will only make things worse. Those that are caring for their animals will be effected and those letting them go or transporting wild caught will only continue doing things on the black market where the snakes will be put in more jeopardy. Sorry for the lengthy post but the main points to focus on was to make you all aware of the Lacey Act.

[Dvas_Romeo]

Regarding this proposed ban, it states importation into USA and transportation interstate. Wouldn't this allow for breeders to breed their current animals and sell within their own state? In other words, wouldn't owners technically still be allowed to legally purchase and/or keep these animals - provided that they were not imported into the US and/or transported between states?

[slither9192]

Regarding this proposed ban, it states importation into USA and transportation interstate. Wouldn't this allow for breeders to breed their current animals and sell within their own state? In other words, wouldn't owners technically still be allowed to legally purchase and/or keep these animals - provided that they were not imported into the US and/or transported between states?

Yes but there would be so little buyers in one state the breeders wouldn't be making any money.

[Kerig3]

If you haven't done so already, please read this article:

PIJAC Interviews USFWS
Seeks to clarify notice of inquiry on constrictor snakes.

Maybe this will clear up some confusion as to what this is all about.

[West Coast Jungle]

If you haven't done so already, please read this article:

PIJAC Interviews USFWS
Seeks to clarify notice of inquiry on constrictor snakes.

Maybe this will clear up some confusion as to what this is all about.

Very imformative link. From what that article says they are trying to educate themselves what species may be a long term enviromental threat. In my opinion south Florida and Hawaii(where snakes are illegal any way) are the only places in the US tropical enough where most of the boa and python species could
survive in the wild and have a chance of establishing themselves long term. Florida has already adjusted laws to try to curb the problem in the everglades and that is a very localized enviromental issue.

The fact that they are also interested in economic info sounds like uncle Sam feels he might not be getting his share of an industry no one was paying to much attention to.

At least thats what I got out of the article.

[bait4snake]

What I find "interesting" is that the American Alligator can go from their low numbers to over 1 million and that's a good thing, but a couple hundred Burmese pythons can be let go in the Everglades and suddenly they're disrupting the balance of nature!

If there was a 20ft python naturally in the Everglades and their numbers were in the hundreds, it would be put on a critically endangered species list for fears of its extinction! And environutjobs would blame humans for it. Yet for some reason just because these pythons weren't naturally put there, they're going to overpopulate and kill off native species. HUH?????

Don't you think the over 1 million alligators are eating more of those native species than a couple hundred "critically endangered" pythons?

Just helping us all think out of the box a little.