well i tried 2 small live mice today.the first one i left live he got it in 10 seconds.the second one i stunned with a pen.it took him about 5 mins to go get that one and he wasnt even going to strike just swallow it and as he was biting him the mouse woke up but he just took it down.i think the problem is more of it being a rat that the fact that it was frozen.they didnt have any mouse scent stuff left so i think i might do the frozen rat crawler with the scent stuff next week see what happens