Botox python bags??? Really not getting it.

[Bruce Whitehead]

I have heard the odd snippet regarding botox python bags. I know that my good friends at P*** have gone after Kylie Mynogue on this one.

There are days that Google is NOT your friend.

I am trying to find some concrete information on this subject without visiting P***'s website.

Does anyone know anything about it?

I guess I just assume that when I hear designers advertising snake skin that it is faux. Guess I am wrong on that one.

Bruce

I saw a pic of KM holding some hideous metallic bag made of snake skin. Just one more reason to boycott celebrities in all forms.

[Brandon.O]

I asked my fashion expert friend and apparantly the designer, Mauro Oriettcarella who used to be a dermatologist designed this bag, and injected the skin with botox to make it feel softer.....its real python skin and real botox. It Retails for about 3,000 dollars.

[Ginevive]

If the snakes are harvested legally and not endangered, I see no problems with it.

[NightLad]

If the snakes are harvested legally and not endangered, I see no problems with it.

The snakes are "harvested"? IMO: they are living creatures, not carrots.

While I am not a vegetarian, and I do not oppose respectfully hunting/killing other animals for the purpose of food (we are omnivores by nature), I am very troubled by the thought of needlessly killing an animal for fashions sake. It strikes a very deep nerve with me, because no other animal in nature does this. To me, it seems disturbingly unnatural and out of balance with nature - not a part of it. I find the entire concept deeply offensive on a personal level.

[wilomn]

I notice you have a harp in your avatar. Are those gut strings or metal?

While I do understand your point of view, unless you are a total vegan, wearing no animal products, eating no animal products, eating only what has fallen naturally from the parent plant, using no manmade anything, it's a bit of a........step to be so condeming to those who disagree with you.

Afterall, if you can do as you like, hurting no one but yourself, why can't the guy who raises and harvests animals, be they chickens or cows or snakes?

[NightLad]

I notice you have a harp in your avatar. Are those gut strings or metal?

While I do understand your point of view, unless you are a total vegan, wearing no animal products, eating no animal products, eating only what has fallen naturally from the parent plant, using no manmade anything, it's a bit of a........step to be so condeming to those who disagree with you.

Afterall, if you can do as you like, hurting no one but yourself, why can't the guy who raises and harvests animals, be they chickens or cows or snakes?

Good eye about the avatar. Harps generally use 4 separate types of string. The 1st octave is almost exclusively nylon, the 2nd & 3rd is usually nylon or gut (or synthetic gut, although fibrocarbon is becoming popular these days with folk harps), and the 4th is a metal core wrapped with much thinner metal, leaving the 5th-7th (if we are talking about a pedal harp, as a large Celtic harp such as mine only has 1st-5th) uses pure silk wrapped with silver plated metal.

To answer your question; my harp has natural gut strings in the 2nd & 3rd octave. The gut is sheep, and is from mutton stock – IE: sheep that are used for food. They are imported from England. Some people prefer to use European goat gut, which are also from foodstock animals. Not too many people use cow, as the tone it produces tends to be ‘dry’ and the strings themselves are usually more brittle.

No, I do not wear animal products, although if the leather in a jacket or boots happened to be from a cow that was slaughtered for food, I’d not really have a problem with it. But as a personal preference, I just don’t. With the amount of alternatives available these days, I’m never short on choices!

As I intentionally stated; I do not have a problem with respectfully hunting/killing animals for food (chickens and cows). I am not vegetarian/vegan. I am an omnivore.

In my earlier post I was speaking only to the matter of raising animals to be killed for no other reason than their fur, or skin, as it were (snakes, mink, chinchilia, etc). These animals are not food, and IMO their deaths serve no purpose other than to drive a fickle industry forward in the quest for what is momentarily ‘fashionable.’ That is what I find troubling and even offensive.

If you disagree with my personal thoughts on the matter, that is completely your right. However, please do not suggest that I was ‘condemning’ anybody. I try to respect other people’s opinions, as I would want my own respected. This is why I opened my statements with “IMO” and concluded with “on a personal level.”

[wolfy-hound]

What if they eat the snakes? It's not exactly unheard of to eat snake after all. I'd bet most of it is eaten. Or used as dog food. Shrug.
I won't support furs from endangered species. But I have no issue with leather products. I won't buy python bags, because I personally think snakes are really cool, and snake skins don't make me happy.

[wilomn]

My appologies. I sometimes speak more plainly than even I realize.

I aboslutely respect your point of view. I just disagree with it.

To raise and harvest an animal for its skin, in the world we live in today, is not necessarily as bad as it seems.

If you acceed to the point that there is a demand for such skins and also that the wild collection of them is much more destructive to the environment as a whole, then it is all pluses to grow and harvest them in captivity.

Given world economies and the nature of the rich to have incomes which make it profitable to grow such snakes, it's going to happen whether you, I or anyone else wants it to.

I think it better, in the big picture, to have snakes grown in captivity, where it is to the benefit of the grower to have healthy well fed and cared for animals, than to have ant hills and termite mounds, some of which take hundreds of years to build, torn down to harvest a few animals, those animals to be thrown into bags or boxes, not fed, not watered, heaped one on top of another until a shipment is ready and then killed who knows how but not necessarily in a quick manner.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, and were we having this discussion at a bar it would be your turn to buy a round as I would already have done so, but to let you see what my point of view on this is.

Commercial harvesting is going to happen, better we get behind it and hope the animals are treated well while they are here. Granted, I too would not own one nor purchase one for anyone I know, but that is just me, and apparently, you and a few others.

However, Clickpopzingbo needs to feed his family and raising ball pythons will enable him to do this without destroying the land he lives on.

[starmom]

I believe a snake skin hand bag is pretty unnecessary under just about any circumstance that can think of, regardless of the correctness (or not) of it.
Just my thought.

[Ginevive]

I see nothing wrong with using animals for purposes such as food and clothing. If it is OK to eat animals (which technically is not necessay; we feasably could live off of plant matter..) then I see no difference in killing them for clothing. Again, as long as the animal's populations in the wild are not considered threatened or endangered.. same thing to me. Look at leather shoes and jackets; that is not necessary, but people could argue that the meat from those animals went to food.. it would make me more happy if the snake meat were eaten instead of just wasted. But either way, it seems hypocritical to me, to decry using animal skins as clothing but say that it is ok to eat animals' insides.