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Someone explain the Ultramel for me
Ok, Can someone please explain what the ultramel is. I have one now and can tell a color dif. between her and my amels. I also know that the ultramel comes from crossing a hypo to a Amel. With this I understand there want be any black pigment but what else is going to be missing or added from the cross. My little girl is quite young right now so I'm not seeing the true colors yet. Also have another question. I have a Blizzard jungle that has only 1/4 king left in him. And I plan to breed him to a pure blizzard this year. If the offspring comes out white with lite pink saddles and no yellow. would they be pure blizzard corn.My blizzard jungle male is almost solid white with real fine pinstripes of yellow and some yellow on the under belly. I got the 1/4 % from = his father was a part alibno cal king and part blizzard corn and mother was a pure blizzard corn. So I am looking at three parts blizzard corn and one part cal king. Please correct me if I'm wrong..
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Re: Someone explain the Ultramel for me
First the ultramel. There was a new hypo gene discovered that was allelic to amel. Meaning they both had the same locus. So if you breed an animal that is homo ultra to one that is homo amel, they will each donate one copy of their respective gene and you will get ultramel; which will be an "in-between" between an ultra and hypo. There will and can still be some black, though greatly reduced. Amel eliminates it, ultra reduces it - so it will still be there. Though this can vary from animal to animal. Some will have virtually no black and look closer to amels; some will have a fair amount of black and look closer to hypos (ultras).
Now, lets say you breed an ultramel to a normal. The offspring will all be normal het for either amel OR ultra. This is because at that locus, the parent can donate one copy of the gene. In this case it has one amel copy and one ultra copy - so it will give either, but not both. This is why you can never have an animal that is het for ultramel. If you were to breed two ultramels together, you would get a mix of ultramels, amels, and ultras.
It's a little confusing to grasp at first, but hopefully this makes sense.
Now, about your hybrid question. If you knowingly breed a snake that is not 100% pure corn, then you should label the offspring as hybrids as well. In your case since one is 25% king, then the offspring will be 12.5% king and are still hybrids. I would consider it to be dishonest if you did not disclose this info to a buyer - regardless of how "pure" they looked visually. So even though you're diluting the hybrid part, it's still a hybrid and should be labeled as such.
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Re: Someone explain the Ultramel for me
Ok, so a ultra to a ultra will throw a mix of ultra and amels, I plan to breed my female ultra to a sunglow motley or a butter motley which are both types of amels. Will this offset the out come.
I will most defnite mark the blizzard project as king hybrids. I wouldn't want to get any surprises, so I wouldn't drop any on others. So if I keep this strain going and keep breeding back to pure blizzards will I ever get pure corns again or will they always have some king in them. I plan to purchase a blizzard male at one of the many shows this year in Fl. I know its not liked by most but I really enjoy my jungle and plan to keep producing them. You know in the same since I didn't want to sell someone a snake calling it a jungle and it turns snow white as adult. So I guess what I will do is call the all white ones hybrids and the ones showing the color Jungles. Thanks for answering both questions for me.
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Re: Someone explain the Ultramel for me
 Originally Posted by tncorns
Ok, so a ultra to a ultra will throw a mix of ultra and amels, I plan to breed my female ultra to a sunglow motley or a butter motley which are both types of amels. Will this offset the out come.
If you breed an ultra to an ultra, then you will get ultras. I believe you said yours was an ultramel. In that case, breeding an ultramel to a sunglow motley will give ultramels and amels both het for motley. Or breeding to a butter motley will give amels and ultramels het for motley and caramel.
I will most defnite mark the blizzard project as king hybrids. I wouldn't want to get any surprises, so I wouldn't drop any on others. So if I keep this strain going and keep breeding back to pure blizzards will I ever get pure corns again or will they always have some king in them. I plan to purchase a blizzard male at one of the many shows this year in Fl. I know its not liked by most but I really enjoy my jungle and plan to keep producing them. You know in the same since I didn't want to sell someone a snake calling it a jungle and it turns snow white as adult. So I guess what I will do is call the all white ones hybrids and the ones showing the color Jungles. Thanks for answering both questions for me.
Even if you kept breeding them to a pure corn, they are still technically hybrids. Now if after several generations, you could probably say they've been out-crossed enough that they're as pure as any other corn. But if you're set on breeding pure corns, then I would just buy another that is pure.
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Re: Someone explain the Ultramel for me
A hybrid is NEVER able to be pure anything. Even if you breed it 100 generations there is still two species in the background of the animal.
I've been producing jungle corns for many years and get a wide variety of colours and patterns but always sell them as jungles no matter how pure they look and some of them could pass as corns or kings, depending on pattern.
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Re: Someone explain the Ultramel for me
Thanks for the answers from both of you. That helps out alot. I have looked over the corn section of this forum and not seeing alot new topics everyday. Is there alot of corn snake people on this forum or is there another hot place for corns
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Re: Someone explain the Ultramel for me
 Originally Posted by wilomn
A hybrid is NEVER able to be pure anything. Even if you breed it 100 generations there is still two species in the background of the animal.
I agree. But then the question comes in is how pure is any corn? They readily breed with kistache, emoryi, etc in the wild. So it's questionable if there are any pure corns as I imagine that many have some degree of a different species in them...
But, I agree that if you knowingly breed something that you know to not be pure, then it should be labeled a hybrid, regardless of how many generations its been out crossed its still not pure.
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Re: Someone explain the Ultramel for me
I think it's pretty safe to assume that corns are not 100% "pure". They do readily cross breed, and it's pretty accepted that they are not all pure as some people believe.
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