Where will morphs be in a few years

[Ginevive]

I buy a certain snake because I like it, breeding it in the future and selling some of the offspring is just a bonus. If you just want to make $ on an investment there are much better avenues to follow that are more secure and do not involve living breathing creatures.

If all you care about are future values maybe you should ask yourself why are you doing this?

Bingo! Awesome post.

[RegiusCo]

Do you not think that is what is going to happen when the base morphs are replaced by combos and so forth???

Well said, the multitude of possible different combos is mind boggling, new corn snake combos are still being made today and ball pythons don't lay 30 eggs twice in a season!

Not a single person on this board will ever see all possible combos made in their lifetime and this, you can take to the bank

Marc

[Beardedragon]

Umm a breeder is in it to make money...a hobbyist however might not care.

What i mean is the breeder will not care only about the prices

[hgrub]

ok i will give you that. BUT (LOL)
90% of the geckos sold go for under 100 bucks. who wants to pay 45 dollors in shipping on a 100 dollor animal. that is why most of the people that make great money with leos are doing the same thing the corn snake people have to do. they hit a ton of shows.

kinda agree with that, but maybe it's more like 65% of existing morphs have that price tag, I'm not arguing ok? I happen to agre with you on some degree
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so if you are one of those people like a lot of us that have a lot of money in ball pythons. do what only a few people are doing. trying to get more people involved with these awesome . insted of slinging crap in each others faces with all the bs argewing that drives people away. in the end these people are going to be the ones to blame. some of the people that are the worst about doing this you dont hear to much from any more. wich is the only thing that will save ball pythons in the long run.

Totally agree on this. What I'm doing right now is aducating people in Thailand on how to keep ball python the right way(most of them take their ball python out every day for sun bathing which they claim it's a good source for heat and UV??? I also bringing in new morph into Thailand, so people will know that there're morphs other than Albino, Spider, and Pastel. Demand in morph ball python have been up in the past year since I start doing this.

[West Coast Jungle]

Umm a breeder is in it to make money...a hobbyist however might not care.

This is true to a certain extent. If you buy from someone that is ONLY interested in making $ then you will be disapointed.

You mention a $100,000 morph. How many people do think are in the market for a snake that expensive? Now how many people are in the market for lets say a $2,000 morph, $1,000 morph or $500 morph. I feel the lower prices are the more people will be buying them and the industry will grow. I don't buy into all the negativity.

All breeders started out as hobbyist or maybe still are. The ones that stand the test of time are the ones that care for the animals first and $ second. People that are in it just to make a $ soon get out because is not as easy as buy a snake breed him and sell him. I hatched over 75 animals this year and sold most of them and yes I like to make $ as anyone else does but that is not the only reason I have animals. Also just cuz you have animals doesn't mean they are gonna breed, survive or sell. Reputation, knowledge(animal and business) experience, patience, quality animals and contacts have alot to do with it. If all you care about is $ then cleaning snake poop and rat tubs will get old fast and as I said before there are lots of other investment opportunities that are much safer and secure.

I buy what I like because I feel others will like them too(and they will sell), not what their resale value is going to be. In the long run my animals will produce many offspring and eventually I will recoup my investments. The get rich quick mentality is what is killing this industry.

Maybe you should try breeding for profit and then you can give some pertenent advice.

[Reediculous]

i guess i just dont like to argue in public.

Sounded like a discussion to me..............on the other hand this is public forum, this is were you discuss these things.

[Reediculous]

As long as we keep stupid laws from being passed, our hobby will grow! The only problem i see, is the more people that get into the hobby, the more scumbags will follow!

[Sputnik]

As long as we keep stupid laws from being passed, our hobby will grow!

That battle is being lost.... animal rights groups who want all ownership banned are winning

[Reediculous]

That battle is being lost.... animal rights groups who want all ownership banned are winning

This is where we should put our focus!

[Freakie_frog]

This is where we should put our focus!

I disagree..Our focus should be to educate the law makers and the general public. The only reason law makers think reptiles and snakes in particular are in such great need of legislation is because that is what they are being told by the people that want such laws passed. If we as a learned herpetoculturist remove the ignorance,by way of education, surrounding the general public about reptiles then we remove the animal rights groups teeth in this area. When Our law makers can look at some of these groups and make an educated and informed decision based on facts and not what they are told we will be better off on the whole.