Where will morphs be in a few years

[hgrub]

If all you care about are future values maybe you should ask yourself why are you doing this?

You hit the nail in the head

[mricyfire]

If all you care about are future values maybe you should ask yourself why are you doing this?

I disagree. Future value is the most important thing with ANYTHING you buy. Now this doesnt always return in the form of money, but in some way you way the current pros/cons and the future pros/cons for everything...No one buys a $100,000 ball python (Toffee Ball) to not care what he or she will be able to make in a few years.

Also a fact that most people just dont seem to get. Not all cars depreciate. It all has to do with supply and demand, the rarer the car the more expensive it gets. Look at Lamborghini, Ferrari or hell every car on Barret Jackson. Now sure the camry will depreciate, because after 40million are sold and the new version comes out everyone wants to sell and to make the sell they sell lower and eventually the price goes from there.

my 2cents

[LadyOhh]

Do you not think that is what is going to happen when the base morphs are replaced by combos and so forth???

[PythonWallace]

With so many new breeders out there base morphs will keep dropping, but I don't think it will effect breeders or the hobby in a negative way, in the long run. It took a decade for albinos to hit the $1,000 mark retail, and pieds are still $3,000 after all these years. So what if pieds are $500 in 7 years? Combos like the Inferno pied will still be out of reach for most people. Corns can lay more than 10x the eggs in a season than ball pythons, and the corn morph market never had the demand that the ball python market has. The demand is growing, and even if there are hundreds of breeders out there, it's not nearly enough to make all the high end, high demand combos and new base morphs. In 20 years when the inferno pied is under $1,000, I'll still be able to list a billion other combos that will be demanding higher prices. The supply and the timeline for producing high end pythons won't ever come close to meeting the demand. Not with so many base morphs and such slim odds of hitting that 1:16 or 1:64 shot.

Plus, ball pythons can breed for 20 years. I think it was Tim Bailey who said that it's stupid to think you're going to lose money on an expensive morph in the long run (Comepletely paraphrased). If you bought an $8,000 BEL to realize they dropped in price by 90% by the time you breed yours, you will still make a ton of money. Breed it to 5 normal females the first year, get 30 lessers at $400 a pop and you've made $12,000 the first year. Everything you do with the original BEL for the next 19 years is all profit.

[MATT FISHER REPTILES]

sadly no. i think that with in 10years all morphs will be able to be bought at petsmart. mark my words. 2018. just like all other reptiles they sell. rember when leo geckos were a ton of money. now 20-50 bucks buys you what ever you want. i do believe that the most money that will be made in balls will be when all morphs hit 1k and under. the people with 500 pieds to sell when they hit 1k will make a ton of money over night. my advice is to breed breed breed. keep as many females as your space will let you.
and if you are just in this because you like them as pets. and are pissed that you cant afford certin things. all i can say is save your money over the next 2-3 years anything you want now that is way to pricy will be more than affordable in 2-3 years.

[8b8ll]

I call this ball python hating.

He asked a question about the price of ball python morphs.....where is his post is he "ball python hating"

Sorry I might be more irritated than normal I just got my wisdom teeth pulled this morning but I felt like your post could have been left out..

Now back on topic I think they will continue to drop....but the new morphs that come out start at a high price so as long as people/breeders continue to produce new high end morphs there will still be a great market for them. BP's have an advantage over lets say larger snake morphs (burms, tics ect). Because they don't have the as large of clutches as these big snakes do.

Every year more and more people are producing BP's but as long as more and more people are coming into the hobby the market will stay strong. But prices almost always fall as the market becomes saturated.


Mike

[Beardedragon]

when i buy a morph, i do not really care what its price will be in the future. I just bought a lesser, hopefully by next season he will be ready to breed, and im expecting the market to be around $600 for them or even less, i love lessers that much, or even ALOT less then it is now, and i still got him. The pastel is cheap, but it still makes great combos.


But what if some hidden gene is discovered? The lessers price might skyrocket?

Doubt it, but you know what, a good breeder will not care, he will be focusing on how to better the quality and be happy that he has the chance to breed at all. Look at puppy mills, all they care about is how much they can make, and look at good backyard breeders, they care about lineage and not selling sick animals and making sure the buyer is happy with what they are getting, and the buyer does not have to worry about the puppy getting sick from being inbred or parasites.

[PythonWallace]

when i buy a morph, i do not really care what its price will be in the future. I just bought a lesser, hopefully by next season he will be ready to breed, and im expecting the market to be around $600 for them or even less, i love lessers that much, or even ALOT less then it is now, and i still got him. The pastel is cheap, but it still makes great combos.


But what if some hidden gene is discovered? The lessers price might skyrocket?

Doubt it, but you know what, a good breeder will not care, he will be focusing on how to better the quality and be happy that he has the chance to breed at all. Look at puppy mills, all they care about is how much they can make, and look at good backyard breeders, they care about lineage and not selling sick animals and making sure the buyer is happy with what they are getting, and the buyer does not have to worry about the puppy getting sick from being inbred or parasites.

The lesser already has a suplimental hidden gene to make the platty daddy. It's one of the only morphs that does, and it's already well known.

[Beardedragon]

The lesser already has a suplimental hidden gene to make the platty daddy. It's one of the only morphs that does, and it's already well known.

well, if its known, then its not hidden?


A NEW Hidden gene

Not really the reason i made the post too...

[Emilio]

He asked a question about the price of ball python morphs.....where is his post is he "ball python hating"

Sorry I might be more irritated than normal I just got my wisdom teeth pulled this morning but I felt like your post could have been left out..

Now back on topic I think they will continue to drop....but the new morphs that come out start at a high price so as long as people/breeders continue to produce new high end morphs there will still be a great market for them. BP's have an advantage over lets say larger snake morphs (burms, tics ect). Because they don't have the as large of clutches as these big snakes do.

Every year more and more people are producing BP's but as long as more and more people are coming into the hobby the market will stay strong. But prices almost always fall as the market becomes saturated.


Mike

No offense taken I just love ball pythons and think it's dumb to think these amazing reptiles will be just like corns in the future. If you don't think there is alot of hating going on your not paying enough attention, I hope you do not take offense to my post. Alot of people are leaving shows pissed about how many ball pythons they saw explain that.