breeding the youngsters!!

[Gib]

Thats a nice post Mark...but from im sittin im not seeing any of open minded tolerance thing your talking about...

i got asked to come over and get active on this board by some friends..and Ive never seen such a militant bunch on any forum before...

if anything is different than what the barkers or kevin wrote about then you basically get called an idiot or told you dont know what your doing...then more flames....someone says hey do what works for you ...a few more flames...moderator...then everyone plays nice again...

I cant totally understand why john is wanting to leave..

[771subliminal]

I agree with mark 100% ....... people prove that they can do things where others have failed *in the 1700's you were crazy if you said man could build a machine to fly.... jump to 2007 and no one thinks twice about getting on the net and booking a flight* *20 years ago the buffalo was almost extinct and now we eat buffalo burgers everyday*

It only takes one man and one moment to make history and show that what we thought that we have known our whole lives wasn’t as exact as we once thought.


just remember when your kids ask there are only 8 planets now not 9

[JLC]

However, not EVEYRONE here is a novice, and unless you hear some differing viewpoints and techniques, how can you know to try them yourself? I think that this is where the real value of open discussions on these forums are.

Mark

This is true, Mark...and it's why I don't mind discussions like this. I just wanted to point out that given the nature of THIS particular site, we should be careful not to hold these sorts of ideas up as "THE NEW WAY" of doing things....but rather an option for more advanced keepers.

Thats a nice post Mark...but from im sittin im not seeing any of open minded tolerance thing your talking about...

i got asked to come over and get active on this board by some friends..and Ive never seen such a militant bunch on any forum before...

if anything is different than what the barkers or kevin wrote about then you basically get called an idiot or told you dont know what your doing...then more flames....someone says hey do what works for you ...a few more flames...moderator...then everyone plays nice again...

I cant totally understand why john is wanting to leave..

Gib...we've certainly had our fair share of threads where a few folks take a hard stand on their opinion and then get into "last word" boxing matches where the primary instigators think whoever yells the loudest and gets the last word in wins or something. It's just going to happen when you have large groups of virtual strangers all trying to discuss something at the same time. And it happens because we DO strive to allow as many different opinions and ideas as possible. If we were truly as militant as you try to make us out to be, then we'd be locking down threads left and right and never allowing such discussions to continue because someone might get an idea that doesn't match the "status quo."

I hope you don't let the actions of a few inevitable hotheads color your opinion of the entire site. The admins and the mod-staff of this site make NO money and get NO compensation whatsoever for the work they do here. And yet we work as hard as humanly possible to make sure everyone is treated as fairly as possible and the beginner keepers have a place to come and learn how to care for their animals and share their questions, their successes, their worries and their pride and pictures of thriving animals.

And why don't you ask John about why he's deciding to not participate for awhile? I think you'll find it has absolutely nothing to do with what you've implied.

[Kara]

Really I am leaving after this post.. LOL! Kara, you live with the master of unorthodox? I mainly attend the forum of the King himself RDR. Yet both the master and King do things different then The Queen (Tracy).. These three Remarkable breeders do things different. Why cant I? All my stuff is in Top notch health, They feed, they eat, they breed.. My wife even baths them? (crazy lady lol).. I guess my question is, Do I have to have 30 years of breeding, 10,000 snakes, And write a book before I can post what works for me? No Offence Kara, I love ya!!

LOL...I think you completely missed my point John, which was, "if you understand what falls within the parameters of what is best for your animals, use your judgement!" (perhaps I should stick to the 'in a nutshell' replies from here on out?!?!?!) It works for us, so why not other people as well? This is all a big learning experience, and there is no ONE right way to breed snakes.

I think we're saying the same thing, just approaching it from different directions. I wasn't questioning your approach...just adding perspective of my own. Quite frankly I'm a little surprised you thought I was saying otherwise...your results speak for themselves, and I can't see where I've questioned your methods anywhere along the way. To each his or her own!

Just to clarify!

K~

[Gib]

not the moderators i was referring about

and as far as why john is leaving...I talk to him from time to time..His reasons are leaving are actually none of my business.. so Ill just leave that one be

[littleindiangirl]

I should say, don't let the few loudmouths speak for the majority...
many times, the differing opinions will walk away from such hot topics, because the screaming few are drowning out what little they do put in...

[Monty]

just remember when your kids ask there are only 8 planets now not 9

Yea pluto is a double moon.

and hey what works for you works for you i dont get why people have to bash all the time. someone is sharing an experiance they had, even when you know they know what they are doing. its ludicrous if you ask me. we all had to start some where or experiment with something diffrent.


GREAT JOB JAS!!!!!

[Chuck]

Because conventional wisdom is the root of all evil, but a great many sheep would be lost without the Shepard , and in closing don't hate the player hate the game.


Chuck

[ama1997]

I think if somehthing is working for someone then go for it. Why not try something new? Is it safe or unsafe for the animals. For every ten people that say its safe there will always be fifty that says its not. For every ten that say its not safe there will be fifty that say it is. I dont think someone new to breeding should try breeding small or young animals. Not because its right or wrong. Just because they should learn the basics first then go from there. Get to know their animals and all that. I dont know jass/John, but from what ive seen he isnt some new guy that just bought a pair of balls from the local pet shop. He knows his animals what they can and cant do. Also he is willing and able to deal with whatever the outcome is, be it good or bad. Will I be trying to breed any young females no. Why? Thats just not what works for me. For me if its not broke dont mess with it. Like something said in an earlier post. The hobbie didnt get where it is today by not trying new things.

[MarkS]

Thats a nice post Mark...but from im sittin im not seeing any of open minded tolerance thing your talking about...

i got asked to come over and get active on this board by some friends..and Ive never seen such a militant bunch on any forum before...

I understand what you're saying Gib, and you're going to get disagreement fairly often, I get it and expect it because after all not everyone is as intelligent as I am... but at least you have a chance to speak your opinion and not have your posts pulled or your butt banned merely for having a differing opinion. On that other forum I had more posts pulled then were allowed to stand despite the fact that I posted nothing contrary to the TOS, it got to be so ridiculous that I finally had enough and told the moderators exactly what I thought of them..... After which of course I received a permanent ban.... Oh well....

Gib...we've certainly had our fair share of threads where a few folks take a hard stand on their opinion and then get into "last word" boxing matches where the primary instigators think whoever yells the loudest and gets the last word in wins or something. It's just going to happen when you have large groups of virtual strangers all trying to discuss something at the same time. And it happens because we DO strive to allow as many different opinions and ideas as possible. If we were truly as militant as you try to make us out to be, then we'd be locking down threads left and right and never allowing such discussions to continue because someone might get an idea that doesn't match the "status quo."

I appreciate you're NOT locking down threads just because of a few shouting matches, though it has happened from time to time and it saddens me when it does happen because I think there are few things worse then censorship. However, I understand that some is inevitable when certain lines are crossed. However, I do make a note of it whenever I see it happen. Remember, I'm keeping an eye on you as much as you're keeping an eye on me.

I hope you don't let the actions of a few inevitable hotheads color your opinion of the entire site. The admins and the mod-staff of this site make NO money and get NO compensation whatsoever for the work they do here. And yet we work as hard as humanly possible to make sure everyone is treated as fairly as possible and the beginner keepers have a place to come and learn how to care for their animals and share their questions, their successes, their worries and their pride and pictures of thriving animals.

And I appreciate it... Thank you...