Lock them up..

[Ginevive]

What sick snakes? I don't have anything wrong in my collection. If you're referring to the snake that died in transit, we already have determined that shipping got too hot for it. I used the stated amount of heatpacks, as was stated on both their packages, and the website that sells them. I heated the box so that it'd be fine in temperatures between 60-75 degrees F and wrote this clearly on the box. The box had to have been exposed to grossly hot temps by fedex to have killed this snake. He left me healthy. And of course I have no recourse because of the waiver. They could have played kickball with the box, or put it in a microwave (actually, the snake appeared to have been put in one; if it were not so outlandish, I'd say that someone at fedex might have actually done that! And then they left him in 20-odd degree temps at the recipient's house for a few hours on the doorstep. Another thing that enraged me.
I find it hard to believe that at a large breeding facility, their breeding practices would halt and they would pull all of their ads and stop pairing snakes up if one died. Take IBD. It is a disease that can lie latent in boas for years..

[Ginevive]

I have decided to pull Gunther from his female and let him rest for a few more weeks. I will keep everyone posted; I am not one to hide anything and if anything crazy happens or does not, rest assured that you'll be the first to know.

[Ginevive]

So is it generally acceptable to breed 200 gram males, as Jas says it is?? I seriously want to know the reasoning behind breeding something this small.

[PythonWallace]

So is it generally acceptable to breed 200 gram males, as Jas says it is?? I seriously want to know the reasoning behind breeding something this small.

So you save a year. If a male will go for you, let him get it on. Youngstas got the stamina. And I don't know the story about your snake that died, but I've had 2 snakes cook at 113 for 24 hours once, as well as had a 93g snake shipped to me when it was 30 degrees outside, and the breeder didn't use a heatpack or styrofoam, and all 3 are fine. The snake that was shipped was freezing, but as soon as he warmed up (45 minutes until he even moved) he ate and has been one of my best feeders since.

[JASBALLS]

So is it generally acceptable to breed 200 gram males, as Jas says it is?? I seriously want to know the reasoning behind breeding something this small.

The Reason is They can! I do it because They can! Seriously even!

[JASBALLS]

I have decided to pull Gunther from his female and let him rest for a few more weeks. I will keep everyone posted; I am not one to hide anything and if anything crazy happens or does not, rest assured that you'll be the first to know.

I'd wait and (pull him) until he's done! You wouldnt want to rip out an hemipenes Pulling him out now! Just Sayin...

[rabernet]

Jen, I don't know if you listen to Reptile Radio or Ralph's Podcasts, but they're paying attention to breeders like Jas who breed males younger. They definitely aren't all quite willing to try it, but I hear more concessions that if you pay attention to your animals and don't over do it, it can be done - Jas has proved it over and over.

I don't know if even Jas would recommend a first time breeder try it (he might, I can't speak for him) without the learned eye to know what to watch for.

I believe Brian at BHB (someone correct me if I'm wrong) on Reptile Radio said that trappers are collecting these females, with little baby males breeding them. So, they do it in the wild.

The cool thing about this hobby is that we're continually thinking outside the box and learning more and more about these wonderful animals. I know that I've become much more flexible in my thinking. Spend a little time talking to several different breeders, they all do things a little differently, but all successful for them. Take what makes most sense to you and for your situation, and modify what those breeders do if you want to.

I've got my hands on my animals almost daily, or at least my eyes. I know what makes each one tick. I know who likes it warmer and who prefers it cooler. I know who will be more forgiving to a change in enclosure and who won't. I know which ones would be more tolerant to me trying something new.

[JoshJP7]

I wouldnt pull the snake just because some people on here dont think you didnt quarantine long enough... If the snake tested fine and acts fine its prolly fine... Ive heard from breeders that its unsafe to breed a male that young but from the breeders stand point why wait? If you wait a yr someone else gets a yr jump on something new that you may have plans to work on and you miss out... I think its a lil sketchy that some breeders are willing to breed their males that young when theres a chance they could get sick and die but then theyre gonna turn around and tell you your doing something wrong breeding them under 90 days quarantine. Just my .02

[JASBALLS]

I wouldnt pull the snake just because some people on here dont think you didnt quarantine long enough... If the snake tested fine and acts fine its prolly fine... Ive heard from breeders that its unsafe to breed a male that young but from the breeders stand point why wait? If you wait a yr someone else gets a yr jump on something new that you may have plans to work on and you miss out... I think its a lil sketchy that some breeders are willing to breed their males that young when theres a chance they could get sick and die but then theyre gonna turn around and tell you your doing something wrong breeding them under 90 days quarantine. Just my .02

LMAO!!

[rabernet]

Josh, what experience do you have breeding to make such a strong statement? Have you listened to the reptile radio shows lately? I'm certain you don't have the years of experience that Jas has. Jas, have you had a young male die on you?