good point ashleyb but the whole point to this thread was to see what some opinions on big snakes but small versions and the thing i wanted to find was could you make a big snake a little smaller but with out actually hurting the snake in anyway my dad doesnt mind and my mom doesnt mind all that much but from what i saw on some care sheets is that males get 8-14 ft and females around 10-18 ft so i just wanted to see some info and again this is just wondering whitch i should get the chondro or the burm i might not even get any soo yea thanks for all the help every one