what do you think of hybrids

[CeraDigital]

If all hybrids were infertile, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I once saw a picture of a clutch of F2 Jungle corns. Jungle corns are Cornsnake/Kingsnake hybrids. The F2 generation produced a lot of interesting patterns and colors, but the most memorable hatchling to me was the one that looked exactly like a corn snake. You could not tell by looking at it that it was a hybrid though a significant portion of it's genes came from the kingsnake ancestor. Raising that animal up and breeding it, who knows what you would get? You could throw a big wrench into somebody breeding plans who had a specific goal in mind. Personally I think that people who create hybrids are very short sighted.

Who's to say that colubrids, or any other snake in captivity is a true pure bred, to begin with? Who's to say that somewhere along their bloodline, some sort of hybridization didn't occur in the wild?.... If your against hybrids, why not be against color and pattern morphs as well? Majority of the color and pattern morphs would be more detrimental to a species survival (especially in the wild), than a hybrid would. Hybrids on average, are stronger, grow faster, and have killer appetites. Their health is incredible to boot... Now look at morphs such as the albino.....Tell me what that's doing to the specie, other than adding a rare gem to someones collection...

As for me, I love hybrids, and intergrades. I cannot get enough of them!

[bonheki]

Who's to say that colubrids, or any other snake in captivity is a true pure bred, to begin with? Who's to say that somewhere along their bloodline, some sort of hybridization didn't occur in the wild?.... If your against hybrids, why not be against color and pattern morphs as well? Majority of the color and pattern morphs would be more detrimental to a species survival (especially in the wild), than a hybrid would. Hybrids on average, are stronger, grow faster, and have killer appetites. Their health is incredible to boot... Now look at morphs such as the albino.....Tell me what that's doing to the specie, other than adding a rare gem to someones collection...

As for me, I love hybrids, and intergrades. I cannot get enough of them!

this right here is the best responce i ever heard

[royalpython]

after reading this http://www.spitfirereptiles.com/hybr...topic.php?t=75
and many many other ones i have no problems in any way with hybrids .... whos to say what we have now isnt a hybrid of 2 other snakes ?

Good point, i've never looked at it this way before. I've always been a little inbetween attempting to breed a hybrid, it'll be many years anyway before my irian jayas grow

[herpmajor]

A Polar Bear and Grizzly cross is more likely to happen in the wild than most people think. Polar bears evolved from Grizzlies fairly recently.

[MarkS]

Who's to say that colubrids, or any other snake in captivity is a true pure bred, to begin with? Who's to say that somewhere along their bloodline, some sort of hybridization didn't occur in the wild?.... If your against hybrids, why not be against color and pattern morphs as well? Majority of the color and pattern morphs would be more detrimental to a species survival

So, you think it's possible for a CALIFORNIA kingsnake to naturally cross with a FLORIDA cornsnake? Nice try... Sure, some integrades occur in nature, but it's not common or you wouldn't have the separate species in the first place and most of the hybrid crosses that are being created would be impossible in nature. Some of these artificial hybrids are from completely different continents. And comparing hybrids to naturally occurring mutations is a bull**** argument. The one thing has absolutely NOTHING to do with the other. You're trying to compare apples to oranges.

[dr del]

Did you hear of the pizzly bear (polar X grizzly) they found not too long ago?

Hi,

That is a terribly insulting name for any animal capable of ripping you into shreds - if it finds out we could be in real trouble. **worried look**


del

[CeraDigital]

So, you think it's possible for a CALIFORNIA kingsnake to naturally cross with a FLORIDA cornsnake? Nice try... Sure, some integrades occur in nature, but it's not common or you wouldn't have the separate species in the first place and most of the hybrid crosses that are being created would be impossible in nature. Some of these artificial hybrids are from completely different continents. And comparing hybrids to naturally occurring mutations is a bull**** argument. The one thing has absolutely NOTHING to do with the other. You're trying to compare apples to oranges.

Right....apples to oranges eh? Kind of like the Retic x Burm, or the different carpet crosses. Maybe even an angolan x Ball? Hmm....what about Eastern kings x Corns? Maybe even Bull snakes, or Pine snakes x corns? Stop and think on which hybrids have been produced so far.... Bullshxt arguement?...maybe the hybridists aren't the short sighted ones, if you cannot even stop and think, or comprehend this....

[Shelby]

So, you think it's possible for a CALIFORNIA kingsnake to naturally cross with a FLORIDA cornsnake? Nice try... Sure, some integrades occur in nature, but it's not common or you wouldn't have the separate species in the first place and most of the hybrid crosses that are being created would be impossible in nature. Some of these artificial hybrids are from completely different continents. And comparing hybrids to naturally occurring mutations is a bull**** argument. The one thing has absolutely NOTHING to do with the other. You're trying to compare apples to oranges.

No.. not in nature, they wouldn't. However by the simple fact that they CAN interbreed successfully, it tells me that they had a common ancestor.

Remember, 'species' is just a label people give to animals. A lot of animals in the same genus could be considered the same kind of animal.. and back in their history, they were the same animal. I don't see how it's unethical to crossbreed what are essentially localities of the same type of animal.. even if they belong to a different genus (it just means more diverse speciation has occured).

[Reediculous]

Hi,

That is a terribly insulting name for any animal capable of ripping you into shreds - if it finds out we could be in real trouble. **worried look**


del

i can take that pizzlybear

[Shelby]

I thought that was a funny name too. It was pretty interesting looking.. it had dark brown circles around it's eyes kind of like a panda.