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    Re: The Ball Python Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by MarkS View Post
    Brian has been teasing us and making promises for over two years and you call this great marketing??? I pretty much have to disagree with that. I used to be excited about seeing the Super Lori too. But after that much time has passed with nothing new forthcoming, I frankly don't care anymore. If you don't add anything new to the plot, You can only hold an audiences attention for so long before they lose interest.
    So when Brian posts a video showcasing the Super Lori, you won't check it out to satisfy your curiosity because he avoided mass distribution of photos of a unique animal for so long?

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    Re: The Ball Python Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Freakie_frog View Post
    What I am "lamenting" over is the slim that does what ever it takes to make as much money as fast as they can with no long term commitment to the market in which they operate.

    Example: if I have 200 pastels and everybody else is selling them for 150.00 and I just can't sell them fast enough so I sell mine for 75.00. Because my over head and capitol expenses are lower than most everyone else's my commitment to the market maintenance is lower than theirs and so I dump the market. Now to maintain sales everyone else must lower their prices in order to compete.
    I think I understand you pretty well. In the pastel example you gave, I would argue that it simply demonstrates that pastels aren't really worth $150 and that a higher supply has caused a market correction.

    As you mentioned, this would indeed squeeze the big guy (although dumping is traditionally the way a big guy, who can operate more cheaply, starves out the little guy). However, let's assume that some sort of closet setup can get it done more cheaply. I don't disagree that its hard luck for somebody charging more but I simply see that as simple free market operation - and totally desirable.

    I do agree that there is an ethical issue here in how well the animals are treated. Also, I would think that an experienced breeder could produce superior specimens of the same type. But, if the customer is not savvy enough, or does not care, then their investment there is lost.

    This reminds me of the history of the American car industry. The Japanese ravaged it for, what, two decades? Were they (American companies) victims, sure. Was it wrong? I don't think so because they were not actually giving the customer the best thing possible. They were charging a premium for inferior vehicles.

    Now, to be clear, this is all kind of hypothetical based on your (Freakie_Frog's) posts. I don't have enough personal knowledge to pass judgement on the BP industry so, please nobody take offense.
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    Re: The Ball Python Industry

    [QUOTE=ladywhipple02;658707]Actually, that answer isn't wise at all

    The airline industry is NOT going bottoms up. On the contrary, it is healthier and more competitive than ever. You have to take a step back from the news headlines and rumors to really appreciate it.

    Well I may have been misled by the newspapers. Maybe the US automotive manufacturers are also doing well contrary to the newspapers reports. But I am flying to Las Vegas in December and I will see how it goes. No thanks on the textbooks. I have a CFP doing my thinking for me these days.
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    Re: The Ball Python Industry

    So when Brian posts a video showcasing the Super Lori, you won't check it out to satisfy your curiosity because he avoided mass distribution of photos of a unique animal for so long?
    IF it ever happens, of course I'll watch it out of curiosity. But not to see the super lori. After this much hype and secrecy, it better be made out of solid gold and encrusted with diamonds just to meet peoples expectations. I am curious to see what the rest of the show will look like though.

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    Re: The Ball Python Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by MarkS View Post
    IF it ever happens, of course I'll watch it out of curiosity. But not to see the super lori. After this much hype and secrecy, it better be made out of solid gold and encrusted with diamonds just to meet peoples expectations. I am curious to see what the rest of the show will look like though.

    Mark
    This is a VERY good point. Anyone with a knack for business will tell you teasers work... as long as they aren't drawn out. Movie studies don't start advertising until a month or two before the movie hits theaters. There's a reason for it. If they hype it too much prior to release, the payoff is going to be a movie that can never meet the hype.

    People lose interest quickly in virtually anything. I think Brian really over did it making everyone wait this long, just for photos. I think Tom has done very well with the Crystal, as has NERD with the Inferno. Secrecy is dandy as long as the animal is spectacular enough to warrant the secrecy. And as Mark said, short of being made of solid gold, the Super Lori probably won't meet expectations.
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    Re: The Ball Python Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by ladywhipple02 View Post
    Actually, that answer isn't wise at all

    The airline industry is NOT going bottoms up. On the contrary, it is healthier and more competitive than ever. You have to take a step back from the news headlines and rumors to really appreciate it.

    Yes, many of the big boys have gone under... but only because they couldn't---or wouldn't---match the up and coming low cost carriers. And their places have been filled by others: either lower-cost carriers or legacy carriers that were willing to modify themselves.

    The same thing happens in all free markets. Lets say there was a breeder out there still trying to sell regular albinos for $5000 a pop. Think he'd get it done? Nope... he'd go belly up and little breeders would rush to fill his place. The big boys can still charge a little more for their name and quality, but let's face it... if they don't move with the tide and at least keep their prices in the ball game, they're done for.

    I can send you a couple text books on the airline industry if you want... amazing stuff, really.
    Well Lady Whipple, I just returned from a trip to Las Vegas. I had not flown anywhere since pre 09/11. I had taken several flights in the preceding years.I found the Airbuses to be a much nicer plane than the DC 9's of the past. The efficiency overall seemed to be better than it was in the past.Both airports had been rebuilt since I had last traveled. I must concede that I had formed an opinion based on what I had read in newspapers and my experience did not bear this out. I stand humbled before you.
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