The Far of Future of morphs

[zx92027xz]

i will one day produce an invisible snake..... just watch lol

hahahahahahaha

[zx92027xz]

as a footnote to the spider headroll aka head wobble, i have two... and no wobble there. and im sure many breeders will tell you the same thing.

if a snake has "the wobble" im sure most respectable breeders would not breed it out, as to avoid having negative traits such as this passed on.


and as far as i know, the wobble is one of the few defects that are known at this point.

[ama1997]

as a footnote to the spider headroll aka head wobble, i have two... and no wobble there. and im sure many breeders will tell you the same thing.

if a snake has "the wobble" im sure most respectable breeders would not breed it out, as to avoid having negative traits such as this passed on.


and as far as i know, the wobble is one of the few defects that are known at this point.

From what ive herd. If it could have been bred out it would have by now. Some that do it have normal spider babies. Some that dont do it can have messed up babies. So dont think it will be able to be bred out. I have no clue what it is caused from or why they do it. I dont even own a spider. This is just what ive read and also been told that it might be only this line or that line.

[Uncle Festae]

This is just what ive read and also been told that it might be only this line or that line.

Not true There are no different Spider "lines"

There has only ever been one WC Spider brought in, meaning that every single Spider and Spider combination out there, is a direct descendant of the 1 and only original Spider.

EDIT: To answer Holbeird, I'm not a big breeder... but yes, the Spider crosses such as Bees etc. exhibit these traits as well.

[Brimstone111888]

I don't mean to high jack the thread, although this question does go along with the topic. What do you guys as a community think about the future of the Leucistic (sp?) balls? There are many different ways to make them and they are still pretty expensive. Also from what I have read, the BEL's and other Lucy's are all white because their skin cannot retain pigment. This means all you will ever get is more white snakes, if my understanding is correct. Even when crossing with other morphs they will still be white.

Are Lucy's the end of the line for those morphs? You can still use mojaves, lessers, butters in combos, but what about Lucy's? They are nice pets, but if they only make white snakes instead of combos, would that discourage breeders from breeding them?

[elevatethis]

I don't mean to high jack the thread, although this question does go along with the topic. What do you guys as a community think about the future of the Leucistic (sp?) balls? There are many different ways to make them and they are still pretty expensive. Also from what I have read, the BEL's and other Lucy's are all white because their skin cannot retain pigment. This means all you will ever get is more white snakes, if my understanding is correct. Even when crossing with other morphs they will still be white.

Are Lucy's the end of the line for those morphs? You can still use mojaves, lessers, butters in combos, but what about Lucy's? They are nice pets, but if they only make white snakes instead of combos, would that discourage breeders from breeding them?

I think that the leucistic morph is generally thought of as the "clean slate" as far as pattern and color go. You could add other genes into it, but once you've got a lucy, throwing in X mutation into it doesn't change its appearance in a significant way.

I think it was last year or the year before that NERD produced "Vivid," which was a BEL with something else in the mix as well and this snake turned out to be 'different' than the other lucys. I'm not sure how they'd be able to tell for sure, but maybe Kara can elaborate on that.

[juddb]

I'm not sure how they'd be able to tell for sure, but maybe Kara can elaborate on that.

Id like to here more myself....

[Het4Something]

hahahahahahaha

problem is if i do produce it.... i wont even know i have it

[Holbeird]

I don't believe the wobble head is due to inbreeding as spiders are dominate. If their genes were recessive I could see this a bit more, but as you can breed a spider to a normal and get spiders, they are less likely to be inbred in my opinion.

Also where someone said most respectable breeders would choose not to breed to not pass on the trait. One of the issues with spiders is that you can have two parent spiders that have a HORRIBLE problem with spinning or wobbling and the babies be fine, then you can take two seemingly non-spinning parents and breed and get spiders that spin horribly.

It's simply an issue with the spider gene. Some choose not to breed them, some do. It's personally don't think it's a major issue and will not choose to leave spiders out of my breeding plans, especially since most that I know who are choosing to leave out spiders, do so by instead supplementing pinstripes, which I don't like as much.

I don't have enough experience to decide if ALL spiders have this, or just some. There is a theory around that all spiders have this to some extent or another. Here's Adam from 8 Ball Pythons take on the subject: http://forum.8ballpythons.com/blog/?p=5

Either way, if you like them, breed them, if not, don't. Personally I just don't see it as a big enough reason not to use them in my collection.

My only question for Adam and some of the other big breeders. Has it been noted that the spinning in spiders is also apparent in the crosses (aka the different bees and such?) I've looked this up and haven't been able to find any information on this.

[Purrrfect9]

It is my personal opinion that the spinning in spiders is a lined trait with the pattern mutation. I plan on using 'spinning spiders' as a possible thesis for my grad paper in the next set of years, and I hope to find out more than "it's related to the spider trait". I want to know how and why they exhibit this behavior, if it's a neurological disorder, or some sort of 'inner ear' problem. But I would definately read Adam's blog on this subject. It's very informative.