Should I buy this Cinny Female ball python? Yes/No?

[nevohraalnavnoj]

Hi everyone, I was in the market for a black pastel or cinny female. A reputable local breeder near me had one so I went to visit. I toured the facility he had set up and there were just a couple things that seemed off to me:

1) A lot of his BP's were really aggressive. Maybe this was from lack of handling, but the mother of the Cinny female was particularly grouchy. Do you think this is a trait the cinny female will inherit from her mother, or will she calm down with handling?

2) The animals were kept on newspaper that was changed once per week. So I noticed a lot of urates in their racks. Is this a huge problem or am I reading too much into it?

The price is good on the Cinny female and she looks healthy as can be. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!

JonV

[kavmon]

imo, you have to go with your gut feeling.


alot of breeders with large collections will clean on a schedule. so some days, there might be more of a mess than others?


each ball is different, i haven't heard of temperment being genetic yet!


vaughn

[Emilio]

If you saw lot's of urates I don't think he's changing the paper once a week. I can only write from my exp my ball's don't go that often. If you left the facility with the wrong vibe check with some other breeder's before you decide.

[JASBALLS]

If you saw lot's of urates I don't think he's changing the paper once a week. I can only write from my exp my ball's don't go that often. If you left the facility with the wrong vibe check with some other breeder's before you decide.

Having 400+ bps. There is always urates and Crap in my bins. Does this make me a bad breeder? If you like her buy her and change her substrate as much as you like!


each ball is different, i haven't heard of temperment being genetic yet!
Boy, Do I have a story for you LOL!!

[Emilio]

Having 400+ bps. There is always urates and Crap in my bins. Does this make me a bad breeder? If you like her buy her and change her substrate as much as you like!


each ball is different, i haven't heard of temperment being genetic yet!
Boy, Do I have a story for you LOL!!

Your right bro my bad I didn't take the size of collection into account.

[Moriar]

lots of snakes can get messy! but i dont there there should be a build up of urates... the one smallish breeder i visited (Mr. Brian Gundy of for-goodness-snakes.com) had at least a hundred BP's some cages had some mess but it was some daily mess, upturned waterbowls etc.... only 2 of his BPs showed any signs of aggression/defensive behaviours, he has a sweet high contrast albino baby that did try to strike but it was maybe a couple months old so im certain it was defensive, and another young male normal let out a hiss when he went to put him back in his tub. i can see how it would be hard for breeders to work full time clean cages all night and get time to handle the animals so those animals might need a bit more one on one time to get them tame. just my 2 cents from what i have seen so far. either way you choose i hope you find what you are looking for

[djansen]

Nah, there is a way better cinny female in the trade/sell section.

but really, if she is healthy looking then I say go for it. The guy i work for has quite a few snakes that are mean too but he says that makes them good feeders. every time you open the tub they bite what comes in, if they are going to be your breeders than it should not matter that much, if its a pet i would get a tame one.

[elevatethis]

1) A lot of his BP's were really aggressive. Maybe this was from lack of handling, but the mother of the Cinny female was particularly grouchy. Do you think this is a trait the cinny female will inherit from her mother, or will she calm down with handling?

I've noticed a difference between the temperments of "pet" snakes that are accustomed to regular handling, versus snakes in a breeder's rack that aren't handled nearly as much. I produced a few babies this year that try to take my face off every time I clean their tubs. Their mother is the most laid back female I have in my collection. Incidentally, these same snakes' feeding responses are STRONG. They calm down with age, though, so don't worry. They'll eventually realize that they are ball pythons after all and will mellow out - in most cases

2) The animals were kept on newspaper that was changed once per week. So I noticed a lot of urates in their racks. Is this a huge problem or am I reading too much into it?

Like Jas said, snake's gotta go too. With any large number of animals, I don't see how a one or two person operation could keep up with that. I would be more on the lookout for MOLD in tubs, as an indication that that animals aren't getting cleaned like they should.

[West Coast Jungle]

I have some snakes that pee several times a week so finding urates is not uncommon, like other have said in large collections. I also like a fiesty girl, she will probably eat well.

But Vaughn had the best advice which is to go with your gut. Cinny females are great animals to have in your collection but if you have a bad feeling for some reason don't pull the trigger. Does he keep rodents in the same room?
I knew a guy that bred his rodents right next to his BP rack and alot of his snakes were snappy. I wonder if smelling lunch all day made them go for the first heat signal they feel.

Don't let urates freak you, some are pee machines.

[jkobylka]

Like others said, go with your gut. But if the breeder had healthy animals throughout his facility, then I wouldn't sweat it. I don't mind agressive bps

Justin