shakey spiders...

[LadyOhh]

It is for real.

Some of mine do it, some of mine don't as much.

But it is for real.

[Dr_Gonz0]

With responsible breeding, hopefully it can be bred out ... unless it is tied directly to the spider gene. I guess only time will tell.

Robin

[MPenn]

With responsible breeding, hopefully it can be bred out ... unless it is tied directly to the spider gene. I guess only time will tell.

Robin

This problem with the spiders will never be bred out. If it could be, it would have been done by now with all the crosses and more spiders that have been produced. It is something that is tied to the spider gene.

All spiders do it. Some to a lesser degree than others.
You should have been told about this by the breeder before you bought it.

[Dr_Gonz0]

This problem with the spiders will never be bred out. If it could be, it would have been done by now with all the crosses and more spiders that have been produced. It is something that is tied to the spider gene.

All spiders do it. Some to a lesser degree than others.
You should have been told about this by the breeder before you bought it.

I am aware, that is why i said unless it was tied to the gene. However, some exhibit this trait much more than others. My Spider is pretty chill for the most part, but like others have said, that doesn't mean it's offspring won't have this problem.

As far as saying it is proven to be fact, that is debateable. Considering they have only been bred artificially for what ... 7-8 seasons now? That is much too small of a sample size to definitively say.

Robin

[juddb]

My spider boy does it but i think he is just trying to show off!!!

[JoshJP7]

Yea my girl spins too but its chilled out now that shes in her new enclosure... I think shes just doing her best to attrack spiderman

[J.Vandegrift]

As far as saying it is proven to be fact, that is debateable. Considering they have only been bred artificially for what ... 7-8 seasons now? That is much too small of a sample size to definitively say.

Robin

There are thousands of spiders out there now. How many need to be produced before considering it a large sample size? Every one I have ever seen has been at least a little off and I have probably looked at about a hundred of them back when I was considering getting a few. If NERD, RDR, and Adam say they all do it to some degree I will believe them.

[SatanicIntention]

I have a female who is a normal and is slightly tweaked, but then I'm also buying two Spiders Just means more interesting little boogers to observe and watch grow up.

[WingedWolfPsion]

My little guy has a bit of the shakiness, but he doesn't spin or react abnormally when his head is touched. I know when this came up on Fauna a number of people said they had spiders with no wobble (one provided a vid to prove it). Whether or not it can be bred out still remains to be seen. My understanding is that the original spider had this trait, which is what makes it so difficult.
If we can't get rid of it entirely, we might be able to minimize it through selective breeding, so that's where I'm going personally.

I also don't think it's automatically a major issue, because in all but a few cases, it isn't severe enough to impair the snake from feeding and breeding. I figure they're sort of like fainting goats and waltzing mice. If it proves impossible to breed out, I still like spiders.

[jwarriner]

If it could be, it would have been done by now with all the crosses and more spiders that have been produced.

I'd assert that you are correct because it doesn't appear in other morphs/normals that are produced from spiders. If it started appearing in other morphs/normals then we'd all have a huge problem. That'd mean it was a flaw in the genetics of the original spider lines, separate from the spider gene itself, that propagated through the captive bred population. It would have the potential to eventually effect all captive bred ball pythons. One thing would be certain: it would be very difficult to breed out unless all breeders agreed to end all current lines and start from scratch with WC.

Either way, people who are super eager to breed their snakes should be responsible and only breed them if they're healthy and physiologically normal. Otherwise somewhere down the road people might not be able to get a healthy ball python, similar to what has happened with some breeds of dog.

Luckily this specific trait seems to be benign.

When I read stuff like this it scares the :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: out of me.