I personally like dum's. Every Hogg I've seen has been a bag full of air *hiss alot* I think the dumerils have a nice pattern, nice temperment and also males tend to stay right around 4-5 feet, although they are quite heavy. Females average around the 6 foot mark. I believe Shelby *could be someone else* has a female dum that is around 7ft and 20+lbs :eek: . Both are nice and good luck with whatever you decide.