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    Question mojave = lesser ?

    Can anyone explain the difference between a lesser and a mojave? From what I've seen they both look pretty similar. And the homozygous form of both is a blue eyed lucy. Seems to me that they are just different lines of the same gene.

    Kinda like a cinnamon and a black pastel. Different names for the same gene. It has to be the same because when they are paired the homozygous version is the supper cinny.

    Am I missing something?

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    Re: mojave = lesser ?

    Can't really explain the difference in a way that would make since but they are definitely not just different lines of the same snake (like black pastels and cinnys)

    Personally I dont really know how to explain it to you but I wish I could.

    Mostly I'd just say lessers are MUCH lighter, tend to be a more goldish color where as the Mojaves have browns/grays and such in them as well. Look at a picture of a lesser and a mojave next to one another and they're VERY different. Now if you want to know something that's close and harder to tell.

    Look at the difference between a butter and a lesser...that's where I'd say more people get confused, but personally, neither mojave or butter can match a lesser.
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    Re: mojave = lesser ?

    Here's my butter which looks alot like a lesser


    And here is my mojave


    it's probably more obvious in person but Mojaves are darker and have a distinct pattern which is the single dots in stead of alien heads. But cross the two and you get a blue eyed Lucy!

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    Re: mojave = lesser ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Holbeird
    neither mojave or butter can match a lesser.
    I gotta disagree with you there. Butters have a nicer yellow color and get better with age. I'm sure the lesser owners will have a different opinion but ask someone who has both and they could give you a fairer evaluation.

    Don't get me wrong lessers are very hot!

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    Re: mojave = lesser ?

    Quote Originally Posted by westcoastjungle
    I gotta disagree with you there. Butters have a nicer yellow color and get better with age. I'm sure the lesser owners will have a different opinion but ask someone who has both and they could give you a fairer evaluation.

    Don't get me wrong lessers are very hot!
    Of all of the butters/lessers I've seen, lessers have just always taken the cake, but I must admit, you have one of the most gorgeous butters I've ever seen

    Now your butter is prettier than some of the lessers I've seen, but when you compare the entire morph (good, bad, and ugly) It just seems to me the outcome, in my humble opinion, is that lessers are better (ascetically) Then again that may just be my taste
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    Re: mojave = lesser ?

    Quote Originally Posted by westcoastjungle
    But cross the two and you get a blue eyed Lucy!
    But that is what has me confused - how can 2 different genes cross to create a lucy? They have to be the same to create a homozygous morph.

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    Re: mojave = lesser ?

    As far as I know butter, lesser, mojave and phantom all are het. for BEL therefore different variations for the same gene. Since they all have the gene they can all make BEL's when crossed with each other.

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    Re: mojave = lesser ?

    What seems to me to be going on with mojave and lesser is that they are _different_ mutant versions of the _same_ gene (i.e. alleles). The differences and similarities are both important.

    Usually we know of only two versions of a gene. For example the mutant striped version and the normal for striped version of the same gene at what we might call the striped locus. I think the human ABO blood types are examples of a gene that has more than two versions. It's looking like for some reason the white snake complex gene (probably need a better name for that, especially since some of the supers aren't so white, like the homozygous phantom) has a bunch of different versions.

    Evidence to support lesser and mojave being mutations of the same gene includes MKR reportedly only producing lessers and mojave from their cross line leucistics bred to normals. If they where two different genes like the pastel and cinnamon that combine to make pewter then some normals and leucistics would also be expected.

    Evidence to support the mutations themselves being different even though of the same gene include the two lines looking distinct still after lots of outbreeding to a variety of normals. If the initial differences where just family resemblance in the founders the lines would have been lost by now through breeding to so many normals and probably in some cases the same normals bred to both lesser and mojavies. Even if it turns out that it might not always be possible to tell the darkest lesser from the lightest mojave the lines them self are still distinct with the average lesser looking different than the average mojave in spite of some possible overlap.

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    Re: mojave = lesser ?

    some interesting things to note,


    lesser combos look different than mojo combos.

    the lucy's from mojo's look different than ones from lessers.

    butter and lesser combos look the same, as do the lucy's they produce.


    can you tell which one is a butter, or a lesser?







    just some thoughts.


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    Last edited by kavmon; 09-08-2007 at 08:06 AM.
    you can't have just one!

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    Re: mojave = lesser ?

    My guess is the yellower one is Butter Pastel, am I right? I said that because from most pictures of Butter I've seen, Butter tend to have yellow hue in them.
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