ah alrite makes a bit more sense lol numbers can be very confusing sometimes especially at 4 in the morning Thanks I really appreciate the feedback I have been talking to a couple of breeders and will be buying from them soon but right now I am just looking for some normal females or male jungle pastels I hear Graziani is the guy to buy from for the pastel. But I will be buying from Lawrence at Superior Serpents first this is soo crazy I never thought I would get addicted to snakes.. well BP's in general hopefully by next year I will start breeding slowly.