I honestly don't know, I asked around and my friend david who has a gecko or two told me about "his" vet that knows a bit about reptiles - needless to say I wasn't thrilled about that. I know about the whole meticulous husbandry needed for chameleons, it's just frustrating because it comes from such a reputable place and I've NEVER encountered this type of problem even in average pet shop purchases. The guy is just wicked clumsy, weak grip, looks like he's trying to swim when he's trying to walk. And it's tough to feed him too. I don't wanna wait for the third strike in this instance.