Theyre both codom traits, and the spotnose was just posted, but good luck finding a pic of the lori ball (may be on brian's myspace page i think he said, dunno I don't do myspace) but there was one pic of the lori floating around for a while, and brian is supposed to post a pic of the super lori asap, but he's been busy. Never seen the super ball(?)(spotnose super) but heard its pretty interesting.