jungle/jungle pastel/ pastel

[juddb]

i just wanted to know the difference between the jungle/jungle pastel/ pastel morphs, if there is a difference. to me they all look the same. just curious

[jhall1468]

The Pastel and Pastel Jungle are the same morph. I've never heard "Jungle" used on it's own, but some people refer to Cinny's and Congo's as Jungles as well.

[juddb]

im purchasing my first pastel, thats pretty much why i was asking....

[Adam_Wysocki]

i just wanted to know the difference between the jungle/jungle pastel/ pastel morphs, if there is a difference. to me they all look the same. just curious

It's all the same thing ... When the morph was proven in the late 90's, it was given then name "Pastel Jungle" ... over the years, many have choosen to shorten the name to just "Pastel" and others with a lack of attention to detail often confuse the order of the names and call them "Jungle Pastels".

In the end, they're a hot base mutation that is quickly becoming very affordable for everyone and you can't go wrong calling them whatever you'd like ... I prefer to call as many as I can get my hands on ... "mine".

-adam

[jhall1468]

im purchasing my first pastel, thats pretty much why i was asking....

Pastels are a great morph, and as Adam said, affordable as well. There are several lineages (VPI, Graziani, Bell, Blonde, Enichi, Lemon). Each have their own unique traits, so do your research before you decide.

I'm one to prefer Lemons and Graziani's, but the individual animal is really what matters .

[Freakie_frog]

Correct me if I am wrong here but the Enichi is not really a pastel it a totly diferent deal all together right ?

[jhall1468]

Correct me if I am wrong here but the Enichi is not really a pastel it a totly diferent deal all together right ?

Depends on what you consider "different" I suppose. The Enchi certainly has some characteristics that differ from most other lines, but that's not rare among the Pastel lines.

For a good comparison I'll use Supers, since the distinctions are more visible.

http://ballpython.110mb.com/wiki/ind...all_Python.jpg
http://newenglandreptile.com/forumpics/superlemon.jpg
http://www.sweball.com/snakes/10large.jpg

The first is a Super Graziani, the second is a Super Lemon, the last photo is a picture of a Super Enchi. As the photo depicts, Graziani's tend to have far more blushing, the lemons tend to have a higher yellow, and the Enchi's tend to have a very different head pattern.

They are all Codom morphs, and on appearances alone SEEM to be different alleles of the same gene. So I wouldn't say they are different, anymore than the other Pastel lines are different from one another.

[Freakie_frog]

Well put! Oh and I really like the websight

[slartibartfast]

So are Enchis compatible with other lines of pastel? I had thought for some reason that they were a different morph.

And where do Ruppel pastels fit into the scheme of things? Saw some of them this weekend (I think that's what they were) and thought they were kinda ugly...do they make anything cool, or is just a question of differing aesthetics?

[ECLARK]

Heres a pic of my jungle pastel, the difference is pattern variation.

The Pastel and Pastel Jungle are the same morph. I've never heard "Jungle" used on it's own, but some people refer to Cinny's and Congo's as Jungles as well.