I think what joyful is saying is that it can take YEARS or even decades for someone to come to wits end and finally want to get off of drugs. I think the actually percentage of people who stay clean is only like 8% from what I remember. It takes atleast 3-5 relapses (if youre lucky) before some addicts see the light. Most never do, nor do they even care to see what they themselves are, or have become.Originally Posted by recycling goddess