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[wolfy-hound]

Sorry, the links didn't show me the actual founders, remember that the original PETA was a grass-roots animal welfare society. The modern multi-million dollar industry is the bane of animal-lovers existance. The currant "founders" are the ones that raised the most money for the group to lobby with. They are by and large immoral people who think nothing of lying to get what they want.
Wolfy(who remembers WAY back when PETA just wanted to find dogs a home, and make people not butcher living cows)

[Shadowspider]

I'm a vegetarian....most of the time but not because I think its cruel and inhumane to kill animals for food...I just can't handle a lot of meat, it grosses me out after a while. Heck, I feed *all* of my carnivores a species appropriate whole foods raw diet and don't think twice about it.
Now tofu...wth is with that stuff...that stuff scares me.

[Mendel's Balls]

Sorry, the links didn't show me the actual founders, remember that the original PETA was a grass-roots animal welfare society. The modern multi-million dollar industry is the bane of animal-lovers existance. The currant "founders" are the ones that raised the most money for the group to lobby with. They are by and large immoral people who think nothing of lying to get what they want.
Wolfy(who remembers WAY back when PETA just wanted to find dogs a home, and make people not butcher living cows)

Did you read the links?

According to these sources, PETA was formed in 1980. The original founders of PETA were Alex Pacheco and Ingrid Newkirk.
Newkirk still acts as the current international president of PETA, according to their own website. So I really dont understand your differentiation between the "actual" founders and the "current" founders. Maybe you can clarify this for me.

Pacheco was the main preparator behind the staging of the Siliver Spring Monkey Saga which started in 1982. It was the first case that put PETA on the map. Their history according to them can be read here.

They list the Sliver Springs case as their first big "accomplishment". They claim, and I quote, "This resulted in the first arrest and criminal conviction of an animal experimenter in the United States on charges of cruelty to animals, the first confiscation of abused laboratory animals, and the first U.S. Supreme Court victory for animals in laboratories."

What they fail to mention was that Taub's conviction was overtuned in 1984.

[wolfy-hound]

Yeah, I read through the links. Newkirk is about the only one that survived the "founding" when they turned it into a official non-profit tax shelter for money hungry weirdos. She was sort of the most radical of the originals, most of which were appalled by the actions taken shortly thereafter.
"PETA" existed prior to '80. But not as a official 'group' with all the official stuff like non-profit status, a board of directors, and all that. THAT'S the PETA I referred to,a nd I assume from what all I dug up on the internet that the currant PETA organization has effectively erased the actual grassroots group that started off as People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Once they went offical, they sort of went off their rockers as well, form all the stuff I've read. The internet is chock-a-block full of tons of versions of them. Wonderful caring people who love animals.. to the most horrible lying cruel people who actually only care about political power and money. I truely lean towards the later. The really scary thing is how much influance they have over the actual Humane Society. Its beginning to be tough to seperate the agendas.
Thanks for all the links and further information.
Wolfy

[Mendel's Balls]

I figured you were talking about some kind of grassroots movement before it went extermist.

[wolfy-hound]

I feel so old... I'm older than PETA. Grooooooan~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wolfy with a walker

[KittyJ]

YAY GO PETA!

Colorado and many other places ha sone of the worst animal abuses on farm animals! ALL they are going to do is sell them to the butchery and have them tortured, likeall the other farm animals, meaters do to!!

I support PETA. Go to www.youtube.com and find out more about, abuse on farm animals, tradefur, circus animal, whales and MORE.. horrible stuff. Heck, Im not sure if I would help either.. its better to be frozen then be butchered alive!!!!

[Mendel's Balls]

YAY GO PETA!

Colorado and many other places ha sone of the worst animal abuses on farm animals! ALL they are going to do is sell them to the butchery and have them tortured, likeall the other farm animals, meaters do to!!

I support PETA. Go to www.youtube.com and find out more about, abuse on farm animals, tradefur, circus animal, whales and MORE.. horrible stuff. Heck, Im not sure if I would help either.. its better to be frozen then be butchered alive!!!!

Have you ever been frozen? I'd think it be one of the worst ways to go.....

I completely disagree with everything PETA stands for. However, I do agree with Wolfy's original insight that those Helicocopters and hay are being subsidized by the taxpayers of Colorodo. And that the cattle ranchers will then make a hefty profit off them later. But if the voters of CO are ok with that then that's fine with me.

Ranching is a big industry that supports a lot of jobs in the west. It is the livelyhood for many families in that state. The governor of CO is being politically savy by saying those things publicly. He is playing to a major political consistency in his state. (I agree with Bill Owens that PETA is full of losers--just for different reasons.)

State governments and federal government subsidize a lot of things. Oil and gas industries, etc.....Subsidies to certain industries is nothing new in this country.

[tmlowe5704]

I have a cousin who is a member of PETA but she is not one of those ignorant extremists. She said when she applied for a job for something with them, they asked if she had any pets and she replied yes two cats and they were like NO! YOU HAVE ANIMAL COMPANIONS!

[Mendel's Balls]

I have a cousin who is a member of PETA but she is not one of those ignorant extremists. She said when she applied for a job for something with them, they asked if she had any pets and she replied yes two cats and they were like NO! YOU HAVE ANIMAL COMPANIONS!

Hopefully she's not still a member after that kind of treatment.