thanks yall .
joanna , i have that site bookmarked already along with several other rat sites ,but thank you all the samethe second one pictored is closer to an english irish going by the discription , but she doesnt have any white on her hind feet . they are both definately females so once they start breeding , i might pull a male from one and a couple females from the other to eventually put together . my hopes are to eventually get some blue rex dumbos somewhere down the line .