Who should be punished?

[joepythons]

Instead of hi-jacking the thread about that lady who wants to ban all exotics(in the general herps section) i thought i would post here.The issue come up because i posted that people who do stupid things with there large snakes(release,scare people and such) and i called them ignorant.A fellow user(sorry forgot user name) responded and said i should not call these people ignorant.He/She also mentioned about pit bulls attacking people in the same thread.Well i have a staff/pit male and a red nose pit female so i mentioned my opinion on the TRUTH involving the breeds.In my experiance its not the breed that kills its the IDIOTS who starved them and mistreated them that should be punished.I am not trying to get any fights or such started with this thread i just want everyones opinion(vote) on these issues.I think instead of banning the exotics and putting the pit bulls to sleep the IGNORANT people who mistreat them should be banned or put to sleep.Thank You

[Entropy]

Since this is a family oriented board I can't really say what should be done to those owners but an interesting site for all to read is here.

http://www.workingpitbull.com/activities.htm

and for those who don't want to spend time browsing the following pages are good though I do warn that they aren't for the faint of heart.

http://www.workingpitbull.com/dogfighting.htm

http://www.workingpitbull.com/whydodogsbite.htm

http://www.workingpitbull.com/fatalbook.htm

[Freakie_frog]

This type of thing should be on a case by case basis. Just my two cents. Because (useing the dogs as an example) dog attackes little old lady or kid just walking down the street and no owner there or owner can't control dog..BAD DOG & OWNER man takes a swing at my wife and my Rottie takes his arm off because of it GOOD DOG & AND OUCHIE FOR BAD MAN . Both times ended in a dog bite one is totally different from the other.

[joepythons]

This type of thing should be on a case by case basis. Just my two cents. Because (useing the dogs as an example) dog attackes little old lady or kid just walking down the street and no owner there or owner can't control dog..BAD DOG & OWNER man takes a swing at my wife and my Rottie takes his arm off because of it GOOD DOG & AND OUCHIE FOR BAD MAN . Both times ended in a dog bite one is totally different from the other.

Ed,i understand your veiw here.I just have on bit to add to that example.A dog is only as bad as the owner allows it to get.If a dog is trained from a puppy it will never get out of the owners control.I started working with our dogs from the time they were old enough to understand my commands.With a few words i can have both dogs sit and not move a muscle.I can also make them behave to where a visitor can pet them without fearing of getting bit,I.E Tim & Monica Bailey(muddoc) visited a few months back and was able to pet both dogs.Now if they tried to enter our yard without me noticeing them they would not get the same greeting from our dogs.When a dog is protecting his owners or his home then YES good dog.

[stangs13]

My Dad has someone that works for him whos 2 year old son was mauled and killed by a Pit bull, just a few weeks ago. It wasn't the dogs fault, it was the owner, let them out and had trained them to be aggressive twards other people and they went and killed an inocent child. I think the owners should be neuterd/spayed. The dogs are just doing what they have bien taught to do.


As for the bad snake owners.....spay/neuter/ban them!! The world would be a better place! Or we could let there giant snake eat them.

[stangs13]

Ed,i understand your veiw here.I just have on bit to add to that example.A dog is only as bad as the owner allows it to get.If a dog is trained from a puppy it will never get out of the owners control.I started working with our dogs from the time they were old enough to understand my commands.With a few words i can have both dogs sit and not move a muscle.I can also make them behave to where a visitor can pet them without fearing of getting bit,I.E Tim & Monica Bailey(muddoc) visited a few months back and was able to pet both dogs.Now if they tried to enter our yard without me noticeing them they would not get the same greeting from our dogs.When a dog is protecting his owners or his home then YES good dog.

Same way with my Blue heeler and Border collie, I trained the Border collie bieng that he is my dog. He can sit and lay down and do alot of things, bieng as smart as most 4 year olds he can do many many fun tricks, he knows sick'em for an intruder or my little brother. Another good thing s to spay and neuter your dog, they wont get out insearch of a mate and wont be as agressive.


It all comes down to training your dog in a good way.

[joepythons]

My Dad has someone that works for him whos 2 year old son was mauled and killed by a Pit bull, just a few weeks ago. It wasn't the dogs fault, it was the owner, let them out and had trained them to be aggressive twards other people and they went and killed an inocent child. I think the owners should be neuterd/spayed. The dogs are just doing what they have bien taught to do.


As for the bad snake owners.....spay/neuter/ban them!! The world would be a better place! Or we could let there giant snake eat them.

Justin,was the kid in the yard when he let the dogs out? If so was the owner of the dogs aware of the kid being in the yard? I am not saying that makes it ok,just pointing out that the dogs were doing what they were trained to do(like you said).Now your last sentence(let the snakes eat them) could be used against us as it sounds like we could approve of letting large snakes hurting people.Of course we know what you meant here but others might not.

[Freakie_frog]

Ed,i understand your veiw here.I just have on bit to add to that example.A dog is only as bad as the owner allows it to get.If a dog is trained from a puppy it will never get out of the owners control.I started working with our dogs from the time they were old enough to understand my commands.With a few words i can have both dogs sit and not move a muscle.I can also make them behave to where a visitor can pet them without fearing of getting bit,I.E Tim & Monica Bailey(muddoc) visited a few months back and was able to pet both dogs.Now if they tried to enter our yard without me noticeing them they would not get the same greeting from our dogs.When a dog is protecting his owners or his home then YES good dog.

Joe I totaly agree in the end its my option that the owner is responsiable for the actions of the animals they keep. Back to the snakes. I only have one aggressive animal right now and I think its just moving jitters. I would never bring that animal around people acting like that. I have seen far to many video's of people getting bit by other peoples snakes because of the owners not paying attention.

[stangs13]

Justin,was the kid in the yard when he let the dogs out? If so was the owner of the dogs aware of the kid being in the yard? I am not saying that makes it ok,just pointing out that the dogs were doing what they were trained to do(like you said).Now your last sentence(let the snakes eat them) could be used against us as it sounds like we could approve of letting large snakes hurting people.Of course we know what you meant here but others might not.

Nope, he was on a side walk and the dogs came running down the street and mauled the kid, the boy was outside of his own house! I was only kidding about the let the snake eat him, people don't seem very neutritious.

[elevatethis]

I think instead of banning the exotics and putting the pit bulls to sleep the IGNORANT people who mistreat them should be banned or put to sleep.Thank You

Unfortunately for you, philosophy of law places a value on human life greater than what you express here. I'm not sure if your beliefs are reflected literally by that statement, but reflects on your character nonetheless.

There wasn't an option for "no banning/government regulation," so I couldn't vote.

I believe that education and public awareness works much better than regulation. If people are made aware of and understand certain issues about exotics or breeds of dogs, instances like those discussed above will decline.

In the end though, there's always going to be ignorant people out there who wouldn't know how to absorb good information if it hit them in the face. Those ignorant people, like it or not, banned or not banned, are going to aquire pit bulls and exotics.