SnakieMom, hogwash...I see a ball in your avatar. Jungles (IJ's and Cheynei) don't get much bigger than a ball at full size. All 4 of mine are unrelated and from 3 different breeders. Coincidently, the 2 that aren't "threatening" they're sooooo cute are from the same breeder. Since I am new to the Jungle experience I will enjoy handling them to a ball python tameness. I believe people when they say they will tame down with handling since my nippy girl Abby has already started to handle well. I can go from hand to hand where in the beginning she would strike at everything. Maybe some day you will get the fever like I have, LOL--->