Both of those, IMO are NOT beginners snakes. I consider myself an experienced keeper, and wouldn't own one. Not discouraging you in any way, but please, if you can't find any info online, get a hold of a breeder. I think chondroweb is a great place to start. These guys have specialized care, and are not as hardy as our beloved ball pythons. Another thing to keep in mind, these guys come equipped with fangs, and a nasty temperament to boot...not your typical "holding and petting" snake. There are always exceptions to the rules, but please keep these thoughts in mind. Good luck