But be careful.... My male & Female (Vergil & Lindsey) Abyss... movie... Hippie, his rat... I've had a pet rat ever sinse... So, now you know my thought process. ANYWAY!!! When I let the pups get past fuzz size.. (My BP size) They get SSSSOOOO CCCUUUTTTEEE!!!! I haft to get a friend to come get them. Like when I get feeders, I always grab the skitishest (is that a word?) ones cause I don't feel as bad... I LOVE my rats. AND I LOVE my snakes... must drink more coffee... Except for my BP all my guys eat med. and up... So wow I'm a lil' off this morning! lol GOOD LUCK!