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Re: Carmen post-shots, post-shed, funky skin?
yeah Baytril actually burns the injection site and the tissues into which it is administered. I always use injectable baytril as a last resort if nothng else has worked before. I will dig out some pics I have around on a disc of a royal that was given a 10 day course of baytril and was injected in the same place. Through necrosis the hole left by baytril was the size of a dime and went in 8-10mm! thats a huge wound on a 10 month old BP!
Glad to hear that your boa got over the RI and major Kudos for getting vet treatment early. Perhaps see if there is anything else on the market that is not as invasive.
Also remember to replace the natural gut flora that the anti-biotics destroy, we have a product here in the uk called avi-pro
here is a bit about it:-
This is a veterinary formulated complete probiotic combination of bacteria, enzymes, electrolytes and vitamins. It's high palatability means that in can be added to the drinking water. Avipro is particularly valuable when animals are undergoing stress or veterinary treatment and is useful as an appetite stimulant in reptiles. It can be used for oral rehydration. The live encapsulated bacteria colonise the animals gut for a short time and help in encouraging the right conditions to allow the animals natural gut flora to re-establish itself.AVIPRO is a probiotic combination of bacteria, enzymes, electrolytes and vitamins. Its high palatability means it can be added to the drinking water making its use simple for all species of reptiles. It is also ideal for use by stomach tube in rehydrating reptiles which have become dehydrated. AVIPRO contains: · Lactobacillus with Streptococcus faecium which live for a short time in the gut, helping to stabilise the pH. · Yeasts to provide a source of amino acids and vitamins. · lipase, amylase, protease and cellulase. · electrolytes to aid in maintaining adequate levels in reptiles with diarrhoea which lose electrolytes It is only necessary for probiotics to live a short time to establish the right conditions. By their combined action the ingredients of AVIPRO help to create and maintain slightly acidic conditions in the gut to provide the correct background for the reptiles own flora to re-stabilise. The gut flora of reptiles is poorly studied, whilst it appears dominated by gram-negative organisms gram-positive organisms are present (Cooper, J.E. & Jackson, O.F. 1981. Diseases of the Reptilia, Volume 165-167. It appears likely that gram-positive organisms are important in helping to maintain the correct gut conditions for the 'normal' bacteria much as they are in many animals, such as man. Even man has a predominantly gram-negative gut flora, yet probiotics are valuable in maintaining the gut environment and preventing overgrowth of potentially dangerous gram-negative bacteria which would normally be suppressed such as Salmonella, Pseudomonas etc. The importance of probiotics is not in the healthy animal, but in supporting the stressed or diseased animal where gut conditions may change dramatically. The electrolytes and dextrose incorporated in AVIPRO also contribute in a major way. A very important aspect of this is the use by the veterinary surgeon in reptiles which are under treatment with antibacterials where the normal flora may be unbalanced and a bloom of inappropriate bacteria may occur causing perhaps haemorrhagic enteritis. For support of stressed reptiles use 4g (one scoop) per 100ml of drinking water.
Also something like natural bio yoghurt can help replace the flora in the gut, but I love avi-pro!!
I also use CCF Critical Care formula to help stimulate the snakes digestion
heres a bit about that:-
Concentrated food supplement is formulated for reconstitution with water to provide the energy and amino acids essential for animals which are sick and not feeding. Although originally formulated with birds in mind, keen users have found that CCF is just as effective for parenteral nutrition of reptiles.The product is a mixture of short chain maltodextrins and a protein concentrate supplemented with amino acids. The protein source has been designed to be close to the contents of whole egg protein. Based on available papers and our own extensive trials with veterinarians with a special interest in reptiles we established a blend which achieved the desired effect. Each 100g contains 361 kcal of energy and 14.4g of protein, this aims to provide 4g protein/100kcal. Made up at 1: 2 it provides 1.4kcal/ml, the osmolality is carefully regulated to ensure efficient absorption. The product should be made up freshly each time. It is has great benefits over commonly used liquid formulations of easily digestible carbohydrates in that it is a powder and can be stored until a small amount is needed. The liquid formulations used previously generally only provided carbohydrates and also had to be thrown away 24 hours after opening. CCF in powder form remains stable for months provided that the container is sealed and also provides a suitable protein source which counters the hypoproteinaemic states of catabolism. CCF is used in birds at a dose rate of one scoop per 100g of animal per day, mixing one scoop of CCF with two scoops of water and administering by gavage tube - usually split into two or three feeds. In reptiles the energetics are less well defined and temperature has a role which isn't understood. However 1 scoop per 500g -2kg of animal is in line with current recommendations, dilution should be 1 in 3 or greater. Administering CCF to reptiles every 4-5 days is generally sufficient, extra fluids can be given with AVIPRO. Contraindications, warnings Because CCF is designed to be used at a particular concentration it is dangerous to make the solution more concentrated. Highly concentrated solutions may not move through the gut, sticking to the gut wall and encouraging bacterial growth, this has been found to be particularly a problem in reptiles. In addition such a hyperosmotic solution may draw fluids into the gut and, effectively, dehydrate the patient.
Hope that helps!!
Peter
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