Smart man X.......I didn't really think of it in that perspective.....I have seen "the process" before, and the male does do a lot to get the girl to "agree with him"...all she seemed to do was "twitch" a little.......even though it doesn't "look" to us like a lot of energy is being spent, I guess for the snake who has a limited energy reserve for the season, every little bit of energy is precious.......Now, my next guess would be the male wouldn't be taxed as much for a smaller breeder who is only rotating one male to about three girls....but for someone like you, Adam, I bet your boys are pooped by the time March comes around...LOL!! Thanks for the info!!! good stuff..