Btw, for those of you who hate the bulby-eyed thing, mine NEVER had it......It's a genetic defect that is inherited with the leucistic trait in Texas rat snakes. Some have it, some don't, but the bug-eye trait (that's what they call it) is seen all too often. A lot of delaers will charge you more for babies that don't have this trait. When I got mine, I got them as babies, and I had to shop around quite a bit to find a pair without bug-eyes. I used to have a trio, but I lost the third one..."Frost" was her name...:sad: