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    Re: Snakes and Stones Pr. 2

    My first hatchling from clutch #11 has came out.

    Cross: Leopard/Pastel/100% Het VPI Axanthic/100% Het Orange Ghost x Spider/Orange Ghost/100% Het VPI Axanthic



    Wow! This doesn't seem right at all. This looks like an Ivory. Grrrrrr...
    I checked the egg box and I have confirmed the breed scheme as accurate.

    So....this must mean that both of the parents must be Yellowbelly-which is a bit of a surprise to me as both the parents should have a below 25% probability of YB.
    Unless of course this is not an Ivory, but, it sure looks like one to me...except for that weird ringer mark.

    I know I have a mystery gene floating around in my VPI Axanthic line...It could be I've had Yellowbelly in there for the last 10 years and never proved it out until now.
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    Re: Snakes and Stones Pr. 2

    My second hatchling from Clutch #11 is starting to come out:

    No No No No No No--This is wrong!

    Even *IF* the two parents were both Het for Yellowbelly, the chances of getting two Ivories in a row are (1/4*1/4) = 1/16.

    I know I didn't mislabel the clutch because I took photos when I collected the eggs.
    The female was in a 1:1 mating this year and the lone male I used last year was a Pastel/Axanthic/100% Het Orange Ghost.

    There has to be something else going on here...I will have to think about this one.
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    Re: Snakes and Stones Pr. 2

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    BP = Orange Ghost/Het VPI Axanthic
    Tiger Eye from South Africa-unlike other batches I've tumbled...my latest batch of rough was very unstable and it has taken a lot more effort than expected.
    Fun Fact: Tiger Eye is a type of silicified asbestos in quartz...so don't powder it and breathe it in.

    Breeders Note: My second hatchling from Clutch #11 is out of the egg. Prior to first shed-it is entirely white with no defining marks anywhere.
    The first hatchling had a bit of a yellow Ivory stripe, a light ringer, and slight Spider head marks. The second hatchling has no marks-it is just pure white.
    I have to assume they are both Ivory. I will use my UV torch on them when they are a bit older and see if any pattern shows. I'm not sure whether to save these two for proof breeding or just vend them.
    Since I had to hold back so many adult females that did not breed this season-my snake collection is at 97% housing capacity and I don't need 2 Ivories at 66% Het VPI Axanthic/100% Het Orange Ghost.
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    But clearly you love the frustration or you wouldn't be breeding snakes?
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    Re: Snakes and Stones Pr. 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogertophis View Post
    But clearly you love the frustration or you wouldn't be breeding snakes?
    I wouldn't say I enjoy frustration. I enjoy a pleasant surprise if it is an upgrade to what I expected. I do not enjoy a surprise if it is a downgrade or an error.

    The two snakes from Clutch #11: What if one of them is a Pastel/Leopard/Spider/VPI Axanthic/Orange Ghost and its pattern is completely obliterated by two unexpected copies of Yellowbelly-so it looks completely white. I find that pretty annoying!
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