I was kind of afraid my post sounded like that. While I believe the HSSA plotter(s) were worse, the reptile breeders are definitely a sketchy bunch. And, as you know better than I, reptile breeders live and die by their reputations. I wouldn't trust these guys and I wouldn't buy from them. and I would expect anybody else that cares about the business to do the same. If as a result of this case, the Fertile Turtle goes under. I'll send up a cheer.