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[Craiga 01453]

Honestly, I wouldn't bother breeding a normal to that snake. But I personally wouldn't breed a normal at all unless it was strictly to keep the offspring as pets.

[Kerimac]

Whoa! I have just started my journey at 44 years old! The most beautiful snake I've seen is the San Francisco garter snake!!!

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[Kerimac]

I only have a normal to offer but she's willing to breed them in order to try for more bamboos so that I can have a bamboo to start my collection. I would love to have a few nice snakes to start breeding in about 3 years time. I have only just begun and have soooooooo much to learn! I love this forum. There are so many people with so much knowledge.

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[Craiga 01453]

I only have a normal to offer but she's willing to breed them in order to try for more bamboos so that I can have a bamboo to start my collection. I would love to have a few nice snakes to start breeding in about 3 years time. I have only just begun and have soooooooo much to learn! I love this forum. There are so many people with so much knowledge.

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I hear ya. But breeding a normal cause it's all you have isn't the way to go. Bamboos are pretty affordable, it would make more sense to just buy one.

Plus there's a lot of risk in "loaner" animals when it comes to breeding. Just not worth it.

And not to knock the shop owner's girlfriend, but if she's considering breeding that animal to a normal she's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

[Bogertophis]

I agree with Craig on this...you have much to learn about breeding snakes & BP genetics. PLEASE don't contribute to the overpopulation of 'normal' BPs just to try for
an unlikely (recessive) result. I personally LIKE normal BPs, but that doesn't make them in demand, & by creating more snakes that aren't in demand, your cute little
baby BPs will just not get good homes...OK? They'll be sold so cheaply as to be most likely treated as toys... it's just not right. And the economic fall-out from this
pandemic is not going away soon either...buying pets or good care of existing ones is sadly not going to be the priority for most ppl in the coming few years. Even if I
were still breeding a few kinds of snakes (as I used to) I'd NEVER do so anytime soon.

[Kerimac]

I am definitely understanding what y'all are saying. I didn't realize normals were not wanted. They seem to sell a lot of them there so I didn't know that. I want all of them to have good homes. I just thought she was being really nice in doing this so that at the very least, I would get a bamboo for her using my male and could use my money to get another morph. I just want to breed my own.

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[Bogertophis]

...I didn't realize normals were not wanted. They seem to sell a lot of them there so I didn't know that. I want all of them to have good homes...

Most pet stores "sell a lot of [normals]" or at least that's what they carry, BECAUSE they are plentiful and so very cheap to buy & re-sell. If you care about
snakes, you'll find that being sold thru pet stores is NOT the best path in life for a snake...they're exposed to all sorts of pathogens & mites, stress from being
in the store & handled by all sorts of inexperienced people, & often those working in the store are not that knowledgeable, so that even well-intended buyers
are not doing things the best way for their new pets.

Just basic snake breeding here, but when you breed a normal to a desired non-normal, most or even ALL the offspring will be normal, & you'd have to hold them back to breed & prove out any of the desired trait they might carry that isn't visible. In doing all of that, you'll be producing a bunch of normals, & there are already so many people doing the same thing with other traits- it's just not what's best for the snakes, unless you want them being euth'd like dogs & cats are. Even now there are those who admit they sell such over-produced snakes as "food for cobras" etc. So if you want a bamboo, PLEASE just go buy one from someone who is producing them already, instead of making a bunch more normals.

Normals are beautiful, and they're what nature finds to be the fittest, but sadly, snake buyers (& even YOU) desire something new and different as "eye candy". This is despite the fact that after looking at it for a year or so, the color & pattern won't likely matter as much as the snake's personality anyway & you'll crave the next fancy morph that pops up. Don't get me wrong, I love living with snakes...I have lots of practice...but sometimes a poster of one makes way more sense if all you want is a color or a pattern to admire. Humans fall for what excites us visually...same with clothing, same with mates...& in time, we keep looking just because we're humans. But unless you want to wait YEARS to produce that bamboo (that may or may not be as good or as healthy as one you could find from a good breeder currently) please re-consider. By the time you're breeding them, you'll probably see another morph you like better anyway....