Avengers Endgame SPOILER Thread

[MasonC2K]

Surprised no one started one already.

As the subject says, let's talk Endgame.

I saw it opening night so I've had some time to digest things.

Overall, it is fantastic. I wonderful bookend to 22 movies. If the MCU stopped now it would be fitting.

Things that surprised me:

• Black Widow dying.
• Characters that were "done or dead" showing up like the Ancient One and Natalie Portman's character. The kid from Iron Man 3. Thor's Mom. And so on.
• Tony being the one to die instead of Steve,
• Old man Steve.
• Falcon becoming the new Captain America.
• Time traveling Thanos.
• Hulk using the stones.

Things that were amazing!:

• Cap using Thor's Hammer. Probably the biggest cheer in my theater. And there were lots of cheering.
• Thor dual wielding his Hammer and Stormbreaker
• "Hail Hydra!"
• When all seemed lost and the Dr Strange portals started opening and all the people that were snapped came through.
• Scarlet Witch nearly ripping Thanos apart.
• Captain Marvel taking down Thanos ship by herself.

Things I have problems with:

• The pacing early on. Didn't need to see Antman wandering around SF for 15 mins. Could have just cut straight to him going to his house and meeting grown up Cassie.
• Professor Hulk. I was hoping he would really Hulk out at some point. Never really got to see him fight. Past Hulk doesn't count.
• Plot holes (at least for now) resulting from unresolved time travel shenanigans.
• Fat Thor.
• Thor, Cap, and Tony not being able to take down stoneless Thanos.
• The all too staged "Female Avengers" scene. Not that I am against girl power. It was just too staged. Didn't seem natural.

Overall, I just loved this movie. And for the first time in years I want to go see a movie in the theater a second time.

[reptilemom25]

I thought it was awesome.

Old man Steve didn't surprise me at all. The only path to happiness for him was Peggy.

I think Tony dying had to happen. It was his redemption.

I would add "avengers assemble" to awesome things.

I love professor hulk!

I think that "fat Thor" also needed to happen. He was lost after Asgard was destroyed. I feel like it made us fully appreciate just how lost.

I am a mom to a teenage daughter and we both felt the "female avengers" bit was forced. It was a good idea with poor execution. There should have been some footage leading up to that showing how they ended up in a group, ect.

[ladywhipple02]

I had the "fat Thor" argument with my husband as he had the same issue you did.

Thor is broken. Severely broken. If you look back through the past movies, he's pretty much lost everything that he feels defines him. He's made some HUGE mistakes, and killing Thanos was the icing on the cake. I think his escape/coping mechanism fits perfectly with how Thor has been portrayed throughout the movies - anytime things get hard, he escapes into humor (plus the hints here and there that he enjoys his beer). My husband disagrees and feels like they were just going for a laugh (he claims Disney's influence).


I hate time travel. I mean, I love Back to the Future, and time travel movies, but I hate the inconsistencies that come along with time travel. And while Endgame tries very very hard to work through those inconsistencies, I still found myself disappointed that this was the way they "fixed" everything. In the end, I think they did the best I've seen - I thoroughly enjoyed how everything wrapped up. Big concern with how the world just picked up where it left off after five years of everyone being gone - my husband also had the discussion of getting remarried and even having children after five years, and then oops, original spouse and family are back! Awkward......


So many cool things to name: I loved when Steve Rogers runs into himself and says "Oh sh..." And then mocks himself for saying "I could do this all day." Shows so much progression for him, from the days of Age of Ultron where he was telling everyone to watch their language and was so sanctimonious. The end battle scene with him wielding the hammer, and he and Thor switching off weapons (Thor gets the big one, Cap gets the little one lol). The girl power scene was forced but I still loved it, being a woman. I got chills when everyone shows up to fight, and again when Thanos and his army disappears. And it HAD to be Tony who ended it. I don't know about redemption so much as his biggest fears being that he couldn't protect everyone. And that line where Pepper tells him that he can go now, that they'll be okay? Ugh, ripped my heart right out.

My biggest disappointment was the lack of Captain Marvel. I really, really thought she would be more prevalent in this movie. When she comes back and takes down the ship, and beats the poo out of Thanos, I was super happy, but I would've liked to see her more.


Overall, I thought the move was amazing and we are going to see it again next weekend.

[MasonC2K]

I had the "fat Thor" argument with my husband as he had the same issue you did.

Thor is broken. Severely broken. If you look back through the past movies, he's pretty much lost everything that he feels defines him. He's made some HUGE mistakes, and killing Thanos was the icing on the cake. I think his escape/coping mechanism fits perfectly with how Thor has been portrayed throughout the movies - anytime things get hard, he escapes into humor (plus the hints here and there that he enjoys his beer). My husband disagrees and feels like they were just going for a laugh (he claims Disney's influence).

I get what they were going for. And I thought it was funny at the beginning too. But they ran with it too long.

I hate time travel. I mean, I love Back to the Future, and time travel movies, but I hate the inconsistencies that come along with time travel. And while Endgame tries very very hard to work through those inconsistencies, I still found myself disappointed that this was the way they "fixed" everything. In the end, I think they did the best I've seen - I thoroughly enjoyed how everything wrapped up. Big concern with how the world just picked up where it left off after five years of everyone being gone - my husband also had the discussion of getting remarried and even having children after five years, and then oops, original spouse and family are back! Awkward......

I would have felt better if all the time travel stuff was cleaner. I didn't like the whole "Alternate Loki" timeline. Especially after what the Ancent One said about alternate timelines leading to a darker future. But maybe that it what this Loki show is about. This alternate Loki. But I also don't like alternate Gamora sticking around. That's probably what Guardians 3 will be, the search for her. I still don't know whether or not past Thanos was snapped out of existence or sent back to his own time and had his memories erased?

My biggest disappointment was the lack of Captain Marvel. I really, really thought she would be more prevalent in this movie. When she comes back and takes down the ship, and beats the poo out of Thanos, I was super happy, but I would've liked to see her more.

Well, the movie was more about the older characters. Also, she's OP AF and would have made some of the things not be dramatic at all. So she had to be used sparingly.

[ladywhipple02]

. Also, she's OP AF

Hahahahaha sorry I love this comment... so true!

[fadingdaylight]

Nothing beats the realization that Doctor Strange literally foresaw all of this, then proceeded to orchestrate everything through time and space, including judging the reactions of dead characters, to ultimately ensure the victory.

[AbsoluteApril]

Fat Thor was one of our (mine and my bf's) favorite parts.
His absolute favorite was Cap with the hammer.
Mine was Thor with the hammer and stormbreaker.
But fat thor was amazing and we hope he stays that way in Guardians 3 for at least part of it.
Hail Hydra was also an unexpected great moment.

I did not like the 'all female let's go kick butt cause rawr female power' bit. Just... unnecessary. I also wished Prof. Hulk had a real hulk moment.

Time travel is always messy. The main time travel aspect I did not like was past thanos getting killed... because then it created a major time branch (why return the stones if he was dead). I thought Hulk's whole conversation with the Ancient One was about how they were NOT going to make time branches. If they just sent past Thanos back to the past instead of destroying (and the other major characters that came forward, past nebula, ebony maw, etc) they could have kept the original timeline intact.

Overall a wonderful movie!

[Toad37]

Fat Thor was disappointing to me at first but then I realized, long hair, beard, and a belly. OMG I have the hair and body of a god?!

[pbenner]

Time travel as a major plot mechanic is the cheapest crap you can ever imagine from a literary sense. Especially considering they just happen to solve the limited jumps issue handily.

I loved the individual scenes with the exception of a few. I agree with the overtly sexist "girls are gonna do what the boys can't scene" - I thought the movie was hot garbage.

[Skeptiball]

Without reading the original posting, or its replies, I'm going to assume that some people will be complaining, to various degrees, about the scene showing the females heroes gathering before they charge into battle. I heard coworkers whining about it and I heard it on one podcast. To these naysayers, incels, and whiners, I say, "Adapt or get out of the way." I can accept the argument that it seemed "forced" and I say, "So what?" If you're looking for subtlety, a superhero film isn't the place. I thought it was great and I got chills during that scene. That scene will speak to so many people out there and I think that's amazing. Would anyone be complaining about a scene showing Iron Man, Thor, Black Panther, Spider-Man, Hawkeye, (insert any male character here) gathering and charging into battle?

Sorry about my rant, but this kind of stuff really ticks me off.

I loved the movie and I loved flabby Thor a.k.a. Thor Lebowski. I hope he becomes a part of the Guardians crew and I think it would be great to see him getting back into shape during the course of a film or two.

BLACK WIDOW!