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    Re: How do you keep the enclosure at a safe temp?

    Radiant heat panels don’t do much for raising ambient air temperatures. He would have to heat the room or use a ceramic heater on a thermostat

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    Re: How do you keep the enclosure at a safe temp?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom1987 View Post
    Radiant heat panels don’t do much for raising ambient air temperatures. He would have to heat the room or use a ceramic heater on a thermostat
    This is not true. RHP's do increase ambient temps, just not enough to overcome such a cold room. RHP's and CHE's work in a very similar manner with both emitting infrared heat. It is UTH's that do not increase ambient temperatures by more than maybe a degree or two, if at all.
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    Re: How do you keep the enclosure at a safe temp?

    Quote Originally Posted by WhompingWillow View Post
    ...It is UTH's that do not increase ambient temperatures by more than maybe a degree or two, if at all.
    And sorry, but that's not true either, lol. Like the other heat devices, you might not overcome really cold temperatures (depending on the brand & type of UTH you use)
    but I've been using it for decades, & all heat rises. UTH is actually the most efficient since the heat goes right up into the cage, & IF you bother to insulate the cage and
    also under the UTH also (leaving the required gaps for the UTH to "breath" & not over-heat) you will maximize the efficiency of the UTH. You also need to size it correctly
    for the needs of the kind of reptile being kept and the size of the cage. Many reptiles do best with a basking spot, so extra overhead heat is often needed for that. Also,
    some brands/types of UTH get HOTTER than other types...so do your homework for best results. I'm a fan of Flexwatt because I keep mostly colubrids & don't need as
    much heat in my cages (glass tanks!) and it's low-wattage & very dependable, but it doesn't get as hot as some other types. (It's also made of thinner material.)

    Where I would NOT advise using UTH is when you have an enclosure that's say made of wood...wood is a great insulator so the heat will have trouble getting
    thru to the interior of the cage, and you'll be running it so much higher that it's apt to over-heat & burn out...could even be unsafe. Plastic cages are not as
    good at "insulating" and the UTH heat WILL rise into the cage, but for the amount of heat needed for something like a ball python, or to overcome a cold room,
    you'll likely be warping the plastic from the UTH...so carefully consider both the kind of reptile and the kind of enclosure when choosing how to keep it warm.
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    Re: How do you keep the enclosure at a safe temp?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogertophis View Post
    And sorry, but that's not true either, lol. Like the other heat devices, you might not overcome really cold temperatures (depending on the brand & type of UTH you use)
    but I've been using it for decades, & all heat rises. UTH is actually the most efficient since the heat goes right up into the cage, & IF you bother to insulate the cage and
    also under the UTH also (leaving the required gaps for the UTH to "breath" & not over-heat) you will maximize the efficiency of the UTH. You also need to size it correctly
    for the needs of the kind of reptile being kept and the size of the cage. Many reptiles do best with a basking spot, so extra overhead heat is often needed for that. Also,
    some brands/types of UTH get HOTTER than other types...so do your homework for best results. I'm a fan of Flexwatt because I keep mostly colubrids & don't need as
    much heat in my cages (glass tanks!) and it's low-wattage & very dependable, but it doesn't get as hot as some other types. (It's also made of thinner material.)

    Where I would NOT advise using UTH is when you have an enclosure that's say made of wood...wood is a great insulator so the heat will have trouble getting
    thru to the interior of the cage, and you'll be running it so much higher that it's apt to over-heat & burn out...could even be unsafe. Plastic cages are not as
    good at "insulating" and the UTH heat WILL rise into the cage, but for the amount of heat needed for something like a ball python, or to overcome a cold room,
    you'll likely be warping the plastic from the UTH...so carefully consider both the kind of reptile and the kind of enclosure when choosing how to keep it warm.
    Do you mind if I ask what your room ambient is? I briefly tried tubs for our ball pythons last year (when we only had a couple lol) and all went off feed. I could not maintain a warm enough air temperature with just the UTH. And our bedroom isn't exactly chilly. Around 74 degrees typically. There'd be no way a UTH could increase ambients in my PVC or glass tanks sufficiently for my BPs, boas, and carpets without a source of supplemental heat - whether RHP or heat lamps. One of the primary reasons I don't use a rack is because of the difficulty in maintaining temps. :/ Colubrids can generally be kept at much lower temps, but I still prefer other heat sources for achieving a gradient for our corn. My UTH's are for hot spots only. (Not trying to be argumentative, just don't want new keepers to think they can always get away with just a UTH.)
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    Re: How do you keep the enclosure at a safe temp?

    I’ve experimented myself. I had two identical pvc enclosures with the largest heat panel for that size. It raised the ambient air temp at the bottom 6” of the enclosure 2 degrees. This was connected with a herpstat 2 with the probe 3” from the heater. Also my background as a Mechcanical engineer got me really experimenting with this.

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