Help, possible PAM poisoning!

[Treeman]

So I guess that since the cage wasn’t aired out enough/ some got in his face, he has permethrine poisoning. Bogertophis posted that it can cause muscle spasms in insects


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[Bogertophis]

pretzelpretzel, you might want to start another thread asking for "HELP -possible PAM poisoning?", as others here (probably the mods) may have more info
to help you until you can see the vet, but from the title of this thread, most aren't realizing the issue to chime in. I know I remember others on forums having
toxic reactions in their snakes from using PAM...I'm not positive what else might be of help right now though, other than reducing any further contact he may
have & encourage him to drink water (to help flush out).

[pretzelpretzel]

thanks i’ll start a new thread. i am upset now i can’t believe i was so blind to the dangers of the chemical. i think for now i’ll bathe him and put him in a different enclosure.
just wondering how i would encourage him to drink? also if this is from poisoning, why didn’t i see the effects the night i sprayed the tank?


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[pretzelpretzel]

I am afraid that my snake has provent a mite poisoning. last night i sprayed his tank with provent a mite bc he had mites. i removed the water bowl beforehand and let it air out for about 30 mins (as instructed on the label )while i treated him with the mitespray you apply onto them.
fast forward to tonight, i notice he has these weird spasms(see video) now as i am posting this he has the spasms in his neck near his head frequently, especially when he moves.
please see my last thread i posted, moving lumps, for more info i just created this one so i could directly get advice on how to treat a snake with possible proventamite poisoning.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YU8Snutmyq0



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[Luvyna]

Hope your BP will be okay

Snakes usually drink a little bit of water when soaking so maybe wipe him with a warm, damp towel before putting him into the soak.

[Bogertophis]

thanks i’ll start a new thread. i am upset now i can’t believe i was so blind to the dangers of the chemical. i think for now i’ll bathe him and put him in a different enclosure.
just wondering how i would encourage him to drink? also if this is from poisoning, why didn’t i see the effects the night i sprayed the tank?


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To get a snake to drink water, you can try several ways:
-gently pass his head under cool trickling water from faucet, or
-holding snake, dip his face into water bowl

I'm hoping that the reason you didn't see immediate effects is that his exposure is MILD (& his prognosis is good?)...but that still doesn't mean you should
ignore symptoms. (when you call the vet, see if you can email them the video you shared here)

And yes, for now, that's what I'd do (bathe, encourage drinking water, & change to another cage since that's an option).

Pesticides are all pretty dangerous to snakes: the first thing I'd personally do to get rid of mites is bathe (soak) snake in mildly soapy water for about 30 minutes
-totally supervised. Many mites drown this way (mild soap- a dab of Ivory liquid- reduces surface tension so mites drown), but some still hide on the snake & you
probably won't get them all that way, but at least it's harmless. You can repeat it daily. Maybe the "Natural Chemistry" would then be enough to get the rest?
Just don't let the snake drink any soapy water...it's not "toxic" but will upset his digestive tract...that's one reason you have to stay right there when bathing
a snake. And obviously, you cannot submerge his head so some mites may hide on his face (around eyes, in pits, under chin) & will escape the bath.

[SquirmyPug]

Contact the manufacturer to see what they recommend. They might even be able to tell you if that is a symptom caused by pam.

[Bogertophis]

So I guess that since the cage wasn’t aired out enough/ some got in his face, he has permethrine poisoning...

I think the OP meant the "Natural Chemistry" spray accidentally got in his face, not the "PAM". But I suspect 30 minutes of dry time was not enough for the
cage to have no remaining dampness from the PAM, plus I'm guessing (not sure?) that it was sprayed directly on the cage, whereas most seem to spray PAM on
paper that is used for substrate once dry...I'm not sure if that matters either. I've never used PAM personally, I just know you have to be really careful how you
use it, as it's NOT harmless for snakes. (permethrin is the active ingredient in PAM & has neurotoxic effects)

[Bogertophis]

I'm hoping others have more suggestions than I had on other your thread, but it appears the late hour isn't helping...

Most products have info on the label (what to do in case of), have you read all the "fine print"?

[pretzelpretzel]

the label says don’t spray in cage with no substrate and i watched some videos where they sprayed it directly onto the substrate.


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