RIP Freya & Ghost

[mandymg86]

My boyfriend and I purchased two very young, very small ball pythons in October 2018. I joined this forum, and worked on learning everything I could. About 3 weeks before Christmas, I noticed bubbling from Freya's nose. I knew that it was RI. I took her to a highly recommended exotics vet immediately (Dr. Craig at Best Friends Animal Hospital in Swansea, IL) and we started her on antibiotics. She seemed to be getting better. Ghost then started showing RI symptoms the week before Christmas. I called and set up an appointment with the vet on December 26, the same morning of Freya's follow up appointment. Christmas morning, we check temps, change water, everything is looking good. Seriously, no issues at all with the snakes. We get home and Ghost had passed away. We were DISTRAUGHT. Freya was still seeming okay, so I left a voicemail with the vet and said that we'd be in with Freya the following morning. The next morning, I found her deceased in the tank. I called the vet in tears. Looking back, I should have had a necropsy done on both, but having been our first snakes, I was too distraught to do anything than give them a nice burial in my yard.

The last two months I've spent anxiously tearing apart our husbandry in my mind, trying to figure out where we went wrong. I've gone over everything a thousand times. I was scared to post here out of fear of judgement. My boyfriend and I completely redid our snake enclosure with better heat and humidity sources. We converted a spare bedroom in my house to be our "snake room". All of our snake housings and accessories have been scrubbed down with F10. We're extremely focused and paying attention to every tiny little detail.

Losing our babies was so insanely hard, but I hope that our story will help other people. We just purchased a new (a bit older and quite a big bigger) female ball python yesterday. She's perfect, and we are working very hard to make sure her home is perfect for her.

[KevinK]

Did your vet diagnose this as RI?

...and what were your humidity levels/temps you kept them at when you noticed the symptoms?

[MR Snakes]

So sorry to hear of your loss. I'm looking at juveniles just so I can make sure they are a bit more established. I know my limitations and am worried about hatchlings and their fragility. Good luck with your new girl.

[FollowTheSun]

So sorry! :-( It sounds like you did everything right, and just had bad luck

[MR Snakes]

By any chance were they housed together?

[mandymg86]

Did your vet diagnose this as RI?

...and what were your humidity levels/temps you kept them at when you noticed the symptoms?

Yes, the vet diagnosed as RI. Our warm side was thermostat controlled at about 94-95* and we also used a heat gun to read the temps and they were rarely below 92* on the warm side. The cool side and ambient temps were low 70's at the time, which we did work to correct. Humidity hovered around 50%. I know now that our ambient temp was too low at the presentation of symptoms. We've completely corrected that with our new setup (ambient temp of 80*, warm side read 92* on the gun this morning).

[mandymg86]

By any chance were they housed together?

They were. When we bought them (local, well-known exotics store) they had probably 20+ baby balls in a tank so we made the assumption that two baby balls would be fine to house together. I learned after the fact, from this forum actually, that they should not have been housed together. We will definitely NOT be housing together ever again. We bought a second tank and setup to use for quarantine/living quarters should we get a second snake.

I hope all the new owners read this and my mistakes can spare them the heartbreak we went through.

[MR Snakes]

My guesstimate would be that the warm side was too warm and the cool side too cold and that much of a difference lead to the RI. 88-90 on the warm and 80 on the cool seem to be the norm. Humidity 60-65% as well.

[MR Snakes]

Since they were hosed together they may have brought problems home with them also.

[Bogertophis]

Yes, the vet diagnosed as RI. Our warm side was thermostat controlled at about 94-95* and we also used a heat gun to read the temps and they were rarely below 92* on the warm side. The cool side and ambient temps were low 70's at the time, which we did work to correct. Humidity hovered around 50%. I know now that our ambient temp was too low at the presentation of symptoms. We've completely corrected that with our new setup (ambient temp of 80*, warm side read 92* on the gun this morning).

Your high side sounds too hot also...but I'm not convinced this was your fault, at least not for both. Housing them together was a bad idea, you know that now?

I think a necropsy would have been very advisable, and especially without having taken that precaution, I wouldn't get another snake for "at least 6 mos. -in case".
You don't know what killed them...an RI can be a symptom, but not the whole picture, & obviously if your vet thought they were that sick (about to pass) they'd
have done more themselves. I would personally not set myself up for another heartbreak loss if this is something nasty & contagious that remains in your household. Unfortunately, housing them together made for a double loss. Do disinfect everything to the max, then do it a few more times, before adding any, & wait!

I'm so sorry for your loss. Rest in peace, Freya & Ghost.