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    Re: normal ball bred with pastel vanilla ball

    This would be my first year breeding, but I have some expectations for myself you might can think of for yourself. this is just my thought on it, its not gods word or the 100% correct thing but it is my thoughts.

    If you truly want to breed, I would spend money on snakes that will sell. Also you have to expect to be in the red for the first 3-4 years before you start seeing ANY type of profit, and thats only if you start with a solid starting collection of snakes. That costs money. To give you a run down here is what I spent, lost and expect to receive for my first year, and thats only IF my girls take this year.

    $450 for a adult male Banana Enchi Woma
    $300 for a adult female Dragonfly
    $800 for a Orange Dream Enchi Fire I got young and wont be ready to breed for another few months.
    $1400 for a Super Pastel Enchi VPI Axanthic hatchling female. She wont be ready to breed for at least 3 years, but with her being a worlds first she will pay for herself when the time comes.

    I got a deal on 8 other snakes I was lucky( not really) lucky to get. But here is where I lost money, or gained depends how you look at it. I bought the collection of snakes with intention on only keeping 1 or 2 of them and selling the rest because they do not work with my collection. The Pied and the Black Pastel.

    $850 for a 1.0 pied ($650 value), 1.0 pastel het clown ($150 value), 0.1 lesser pastel het clown ($150 value), 0.1 Black pastel ($50 value), 0.1 black pastel mojave ($125 value), 1.0 Super Mojave ($300 value), 1.0 Super Pastel Banana ($250 value), 0.1 lesser pastel ($150 value) so in total my $850 investment potentially got me $1750 in snake value.

    Now it sounds like a good deal, but here is what you could possibly run into, where it costs you money.

    Within 2 weeks of me having them, these following ones died because of ill care by the previous owners and they came with bacteria and parasites.
    The Pied (- 650)
    both het clowns (-300)
    black pastel (-50) so that is $1000 I lost on the deal. So I paid $850 for $750 worth of snake value. I lost $50, but wait it gets better. Being that I am financially able to handle these situations here is more money I lost to make sure my other snakes were healthy and would survive.

    $100 vet visit for each snake that did not die from the collection. So - $400 to make sure they were still good.
    $100 vet visit for my other 2 snakes that didnt come from them but they were in the same quarantine room. So -$200
    $200 per snake to have a necropsy done to figure out what the hell happened and why 4 snakes died on me so I knew what to look for. So -$800

    So I wound up in the red $1450 on that so called good deal. We are now 5 months into me starting this and im already in the red $1450 for the bad transaction and $2950 for other snake purchases. So I am now -$4400 doing this starting out. When you count the cost of their enclosures, food ive been giving them, incubator I am probably close to $8,000 invested into this trying to start as a business, its only been 5 months. Now that number would be a lot lower if I didnt put out so much in vet bills, but I did what was best for he snakes, because they are lives I decided to take on responsibility for. I am JUST NOW pairing my first snakes.

    I am pairing my Banana Enchi Woma and my Dragonfly. Lets say Im lucky and she lays 5 eggs. I spent $750 on the price of the 2 snakes. so 750/5 is $150. So each egg cost me $150 to make. So to make money on this pairing I would need to sell each egg for at least $155. Because I invested in some good quality snakes most of the combos I can make on the low end are valued $200 or more, there are few combos that will sell for less then $200, and even fewer that will sell for less then $150. So in my eyes those two snakes were a good investment I can make my money back on them with the first clutch, unless im seriously unlucky. Lets say I sell each egg for $200, I made $1000 on the eggs - $750 on the money spent on the parents. I made $250 yay, but wait im still in the red $7750.

    in October my money maker male will be ready, the OD Enchi Fire. I plan on pairing him with a Enchi Yellow Belly i will be purchasing when she becomes available in september. this clutch can make me lots of money, or I could lose lots of money. I will be paying $500 for the Enchi Yellow belly, so im $1200 invested in animals. Lets say she lays 5 eggs. each egg cost me $240 to make. Once again because of the genes I selected to work with the average price for any of the possible combinations is $350, $200 on the low end if I dont get any single genes, and $1000+ on the high end if the snake gods are in my favor. so lets keep it an easy $350, because OD mixed with any of the genes is a 300-400 dollar snake. Thats $1750 for the clutch, Thats if I dont keep anything as a hold back. So I made $550 on this clutch. that number would go up or down depending on what is produced. I am still $7250 in the red in my first year. Thats producing 2 quality morph clutches. Good news is on their next clutch if I decide to pair the same 2 again then it would be all profit and thats where you start seeing your return. For my final clutch of the year will be a special one. If things play in my favor I will be purchasing 2 new morphs that will sky rocket my earning potential.

    1.o Super Orange Dream for $450 and a 0.1 Lightning Pied for $4000. Both breed ready, which is why im paying so much. So now im in the red $11700 my first year in. The first clutch from these two will only net me $300 per egg no matter what. No matter what they will be OD dh Pied and Axanthic. so 5 eggs means $1500. Still less then the $4450 I spent to get the parents, so now I am in the red $10500. Now if the snake odds god smiles on me and gives me just 1 male from that clutch, i will keep the male and therefor my negative money went back up to $10800. the following year will be my second year of breeding. and this is where your initial morph investment will make or break you doing this as a business. Because I spent so much on my morphs and made sure they were quality.I should come close to being in the black by the end of my second year while only producing 4-5 clutches. Year 3 for me will still be investment period as well as profit, that snake I spent $1400 on my first year will be ready and I can start seeing a return there as well. anything I make from the 4-5 clutches that year will go straight to new quality morphs, and If I am able to start regularly producing OD lightening Pieds, that will be the basis of turning this into a profitable business. From that point on its about staying on top of the newest morphs. thats being productive in less then 5 years.

    But thats if the odds are with me and I dont have any major set backs. but to do that I had to invest an initial $7850 up front on just snakes alone. to see the earnings 4 years down the line.
    Last edited by bmwood; 07-22-2018 at 08:26 PM.
    0.1 Pastel (Kaa)
    1.0 Het Desert Ghost

    0.1 Super Pastel VPI Axanthic Enchi (Jasmin)

    0.1 Black Pastel Mojave
    0.1 Calico Fire
    0.1 Yellow Belly
    0.1 Pinstripe
    0.1 Het Red Axanthic Het Desert Ghost
    1.0 Orange Dream Enchi Fire
    0.1 leatherback hypo Bearded Dragon
    1.0 Purple Motley Suntiger Citron Reticulated
    1.0 Gargoyle Gecko
    1.2 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
    0.0.1 White Tree Frog
    1.0 Green Anaconda
    0.1 Indonesian Frilled Dragon





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